My first pantone, need help!

Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
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by the joint » 14/03/07, 15:02

Thank you citro, but I opted for an assembly without fuel. I can easily go back but I will try without.
Pitmix I had already watched your video but I had not seen all that! : Shock: It is clear that it starts a quarter turn! and white smoke at the end !!!! : Shock: if we look at the dose of fleet that you put at the end we can largely look at the hypothesis of water vapor, it's huge !!!!!!! :P Thank you

In your bubbler, is the copper pipe bringing the exhaust gases pierced like a sieve? If so, is it effective?
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by Other » 14/03/07, 17:07

Hello
citro wrote:Until now all the engines with "naudin type" mounts (mower) that I have seen had kept the original carburetor and sucked pantone gas through the carburetor.
So there were no problems with starting ...

When the reactor hangs, you can clearly hear the engine accelerating and then cut off the fuel supply to the carburetor. :D

Once hot, you can turn off and restart easily (sometimes playing a bit on the air valves) only with pantone. : Mrgreen:


If you walk with a bulger you do not need the original carburetor, besides it is rare to be able to operate with the original carburetor in 100% panton it must be put in the choke position and pulls through a small hole of 3mm in the choke.
before walking with water make the petrol market
you will have plenty of time to add water afterwards
an Alsatian proverb that says even praying too much is not good
it's the same for too much water it's not like enough ...
What a simple thing if you don't want to spoil.

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by the joint » 14/03/07, 21:41

Thank you André for these details. I was counting dema anyway
go back to pure petrol, just to be sure not to break everything !!!!!!!!! : Cheesy:
Another security question is there any risk that a spark will come with the exhaust gases into the bubbler and that the experience ends in fireworks! :frown: or a flashback via the intake and the reactor towards the bubbler? Because technically there is nothing that prevents it, after in practice what about it?

Otherwise here, where I am: more than soldering, it's for tomorrow


https://www.econologie.com/fichiers/partager/HPIM2599.jpg

PS: André how do you insert your photos directly without link? thank you
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by zac » 14/03/07, 22:56

the join wrote: Another security question is there any risk that a spark will come with the exhaust gases into the bubbler and that the experience ends in fireworks! :frown: or a flashback via the intake and the reactor towards the bubbler? Because technically there is nothing that prevents it, after in practice what about it?


Hello

if you fall into the category of experimenters; you have to enter at the same time in the category of "napapeur" otherwise you will not advance.
that said I never took a pantone in the face.

By cons if you play with the electrolizer and hydrogen, be careful that can be teasing (2 guy at the host on the last try) + the local tired.

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by Other » 14/03/07, 23:35

Hello
usually we put a bubbler in flexible plastic that tells us if it is in pressure or in depression, so how to open the valves depending on whether it swells or it crashes
the valve on the panton inlet suction is almost not useful always open wide the one on the exhaust it must be learned to handle it and the air valve close to the engine
To start you close almost completely the air valve close to the engine (reactor outlet)
Do not put too much gas in the bubbler 1 liter after a certain time of running the gasoline becomes corrupted with the exhaust gases and the water coming out of sga z exhaust
when the bubbler works well there is a white mist of fine droplets suspended in the bubbler and it becomes cold.
It is necessary from time to time to purge the entire bubbler and replace the petrol.
Switching on you empties gasoline directly with a burrette in the air hole near the engine and Go.

find a good rope for the cranker ..

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by the joint » 15/03/07, 14:30

Thank you both.
Don't worry Zac I will soon move into the category of experimenters and all without blowing my workshop! : Cheesy:

Thank you André for the start-up advice. Regarding my container it is not PVC as you should have seen in the photos but in iron. However it is quite flexible, I think we will see correctly if it is under pressure or depression. As soon as it is welded I try to start it. See you soon for news
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by the joint » 22/03/07, 21:07

Well here I have finished the pantone tonight. The first tests are for tomorrow, so full report tomorrow night. See you tomorrow
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by the joint » 23/03/07, 18:41

I get to the news it works! : Cheesy: However the test is only half conclusive (pure essence) because indeed it starts (1 time out of 20 approximately) but I managed to make it run only 10, 15 seconds at most.
In fact, I have the impression that far too much gasoline enters the combustion chamber and it drowns.

For now I have not had time to install an exhaust so there is nothing after the gas exhaust valve. At this precise place when the engine is started, it squirts petrol squarely !!!!!!!! : Shock: :?: :?: As for the valve which manages the arrival of vapors at the inlet of the reactor, it must be completely closed for it to start. The whole of my intake circuit is 14 mm in diameter, is it too big for a tiller? which would explain drowning.

I have already pinched the suction tube of the vapors in the bubbler in order to reduce the flow rate of admission but that is not enough the gasoline always pisses in the exhaust squarely in the form of drops. The short time he started these drops at the exhaust outlet greatly diminishes.
Do you have any suggestions for improving the system? (a system to decrease admission or other)
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by the joint » 27/03/07, 21:57

I tried again at the start of the week and this time it is much more conclusive! It shot more than 5 minutes! : Cheesy:

it actually stopped because my copper tubes, which serve as exhaust, got under. And yes, tin doesn't like heat too much! : Mrgreen: In fact to get it started I had to fully open the air inlet valve after the reactor. On the other hand, the valve which manages the arrival of steam in the reactor is not precise enough. As soon as I open it a minimum it stalls.
The next step will be to repeat the experience, but this time with a part of water in the bubbler. I know that for you it is banal but I still want to see it with my own eyes.
Subsequently I will manufacture a new reactor and a water doping system for the combi which will be much more interesting knowing that the beast eats 12 to 13 liters.

Otherwise it is the forum but I'm starting to feel lonely! :|
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by the joint » 03/04/07, 20:49

Say so it's always jostling as much on this forulm !!!!!!!!!! : Shock: Here is the pantone video, I ran it at 50% water, it works nickel. I abandon the project and I go to the combi with water doping soon for news from 4 to flat

pantone tiller http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbXzg8j7pMU
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