Study rod Pantone reactor heating or cavitation?

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by Christophe » 25/03/11, 11:57

Indeed there may be similarities! Thanks for the reminder!

On the other hand the interest to transform a mechanical energy in heat, even with a yield of 100% is rather limited ...

Except renewable mechanical energy ... :P

But there are surely niche industrial applications, where we can not directly heat the fluid directly for example ... for X or Y reasons ...

When the pump produces steam, the energy produced exceeds 30% that is supplied by the engine. However the advertisements of the company do not put emphasis on this on unit, they are content to announce an efficiency of 100% (mechanical energy in thermal).

This excess energy is connected to the speed of the rotor, the greater it is, the more the% increases and can even reach 60%

Explinations ?

- Most of the heat is obtained in a conventional way by mechanical molecular agitation, thanks to the friction of the forced current, and the direct impact of the shock wave which occurs in the cylinder.

- the amount of excess heat would come from the sonoluminescence, the excessively strong turbulence that is induced by the particular mechanical agitation produced at the same time cavitation and micro bubbles of gas. They are invaded by the powerful shock waves that occur when the rotor cavities pass by grazing the streaks of the stator, and they collapse then by releasing a lot of energy.

It is reasonable to hypothesize that a very small percentage of atoms probably corresponding to those of deuterium (the natural isotope of hydrogen) which is naturally present in water (especially at sea) eventually explodes into releasing heat



For 30% and more it remains to be demonstrated.

How much is "a lot of energy"?

I do not understand the last paragraph: atom explodes? Deuterium? Cold fusion?

This passage is also interesting:

A test performed by an expert in 1988 revealed a surprising result of on 10 unit at 30%. In addition, the pump eliminates clogging. Griggs also noticed, unusual effect, that there is a barely discernable fusion on the outside of the rotor, fusion that would require temperatures of the order of 1200 ° F, much higher than those produced by steam under high pressure. The tiny pieces of molten material bind themselves to the rotor (for this it would take temperatures of about 4000 ° F). In the Griggs hydrosonic pump, it is not just a water hammer effect that is at work.


It would not remind the pins on the stem observed by André?

Gaston as the accoustique is your domain, what do you think of all this? Notably the phenomenon of sonoluminescence (proven). Read or re-read this file: Science-and-Technology / sonoluminescence-or-sonofusion-t3155.html

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ps: there was not a certain yannick who was trying to advertise such a "superunit boiler" a few months ago on the forums? : Mrgreen:
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by gegyx » 25/03/11, 12:14

yes, but the ninique must not ring it ...
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by renaud67 » 25/03/11, 14:00

soon 6 years for the article ... and no recent breakthrough for our well as the z-pinch searches are underwater?
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by dedeleco » 25/03/11, 14:12

Proven breakthroughs are very difficult because scientists are blindfolded in an inextricable labyrinth !!

Read the many articles in scientific journals and other arXiv where sonoluminescence has been studied for a long time with in particular X-ray emissions and more evidence of high energy that make a fusion possible.
X-ray detection is a way of knowing it, seriously, but with the problem of the absorption of X-rays by water.
little excerpt from this saga:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminescence
http://www.nature.com/nchina/2008/08101 ... 8.241.html
With a saga that shows the difficulty of knowing the truth:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 155542.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusi_Taleyarkhan
http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091123/ ... .1103.html
false or true ?????
big work not finished !!
misconduct does not mean everything wrong !!

Read all google (2750 links):
http://www.google.fr/search?num=100&hl= ... =&aql=&oq=
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by Christophe » 25/03/11, 14:56

Dede, I copied your message here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/post198363.html#198363
in the subject dedicated to sonoluminescence ...

To return to the stem, I examined the miraclean patent: https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... w0L57i.pdf


Christophe wrote:here is an excerpt from the miraclean patent; the stem is well pierced and the text speaks of cavitation: patent extract http://fr.espacenet.com/publicationDeta ... CC=FR&FT=D

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It remains to demonstrate scientifically at the level of fluid mechanics what these holes bring .... I will read the patent in detail.

Funny patent talks about an ionization, I think the author had read this document, published early 2007 on econology: https://www.econologie.com/ionisation-de ... -3324.html


Apart from this story of stem pierced and the terms ionization and cavitation that come back often (the author probably knows the ecology pages that speak, for example: https://www.econologie.com/forums/cavitation ... t3665.html et https://www.econologie.com/ionisation-de ... -3324.html ) there is no info essential to understanding. 80% of the content is copied / pasted from the pantone patent ...

Interesting page 8 in the middle, the author describes something that looks a lot like sonoluminescence:

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The essential question is: are these assumptions of the author or did he actually find / measure something that looks like sonoluminescence or sonofusion which you will find here https://www.econologie.com/forums/sonolumine ... t3155.html ?

The holes of the stem are oblong (or not? It's not clear) and offset as shown in the diagram above ... the reason given is not to weaken the rod.

Read again so:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/cavitation ... t3665.html
https://www.econologie.com/ionisation-de ... -3324.html

ps: the patent also speaks of a reduction of consumption of 87% in one place to then speak of a mixture 87 / 13% ... not very serious (see remarks above)
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by alaniesse » 25/03/11, 15:50

ps: the patent also speaks of a reduction of consumption of 87% in one place to then speak of a mixture 87 / 13% ... not very serious (see remarks above)


If it's serious:
the rate used was 75 / 25%, (I saw a bad deal at 60 / 40% JFM was pressé, he had put too much gas, the engine was struggling to take turns .....)
But by pushing it in test, not in demonstration, it was pushed beyond 87 / 13%

the reduction of consumption is calculated with respect to the gasoline genset: 1.5 liter per hour for a power of the order of 80% of the nominal power of the group.

if the consumption was 75 / 25%, with a final consumption of 0.75 L per hour
we have 12.5% of fuel (usual) used. (There has been more water consumption, but the cost is negligible: tap water.

(before the tankers add hydrogen fighters in the water, that's what happened)
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by Christophe » 19/05/11, 10:52

Other on this topic wrote :Hello

I'm testing the perforated rod, according to the explanations of Alaniesse.
Just try doing some walking and running a gasoline fuel oil with small petrol engine.
the holes are 1 / 8 be 3,2mm I have made following the spiral of the rod, the rod is 30cm (which is too long in my opinion) the beginning of the rod is 8cm rest on the shiny metal rod becomes blue black even after 20minutes walk, not tested with an alcohol water mixture to see the maximum% water that can support the engine.
Test small smooth steel rod of 20cm was more stable for walking on diesel (although this is preliminary tests, it must spend more time and differrent rich setting, measurement support ect .. long procedure ...

Andre

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Re: Pantone reactor rod study, heating or cavitation?




by Christophe » 12/03/16, 20:00

Special forms of the reactor to create a sudden depression in the steam passing through the reactor (by bolt):

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Read also: understanding injection water / cavitation-gas-in-the-reactor-pantone-t3665.html
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by Christophe » 12/03/16, 20:01

The restriction to the exhaust joins the "course" of pantone:

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Re: Pantone reactor rod study, heating or cavitation?




by Flytox » 13/03/16, 22:13

Christophe wrote:Special forms of the reactor to create a sudden depression in the steam passing through the reactor (by bolt):

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Read also: understanding injection water / cavitation-gas-in-the-reactor-pantone-t3665.html


The transition to an air gap of 0.3, which is not sure that this is a good idea in the overall operation of the system. The total gas flow may be so low that all the expected beneficial effects may well be lost just a little further down the pipe. If there is not enough gas / heat flow the pipes cool drastically with the length of the pipes and finally in the inlet, we do not inject much more interesting. A little gas saturated with water vapor and big drops of water ..... dangerous.
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