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Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
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by Capt_Maloche » 10/07/08, 22:12

relaxation too, but not enough

Moreover, in this regard, the cigarette kills, the pipe relaxes : Cheesy: Pff, I'm going to pound myself
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by Christophe » 10/07/08, 22:14

The pipe also tends ...

Before going to bed, look at this: https://www.econologie.com/combustion-en ... -3865.html

It should be very interesting to you.
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by Capt_Maloche » 10/07/08, 22:27

hmm?

well, it's just a "suction cup" which is fitted to almost all gas boilers today

There is no migration of steam, but just condensation of the water from the flue gases and exchange with the fresh air introduced into the combustion chamber

that's how many models of gas boilers reach 109% yield on the PCs on 111% possible, almost perfect what, but with always so many CO2 ...
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by Christophe » 10/07/08, 22:40

Uh, are you sure you've watched the .pdf?
It's starting to become particularly interesting (for us) from the 3 page:

Wet combustion

With the water vapor pump the combustion develops with a recycled water vapor ballast associated with the combustion air. We have seen the energetic interest and we will see further the ecological interest ...

Still, the concept of water vapor pump can consider its implementation wherever there is combustion. And indeed we have sought to optimize this implementation in gas turbines, reciprocating engines, dryers, incinerators ... and many patents have been filed for the concept and its applications from 1978.


Further:

The environmental interest of wet combustion

The presence of water improves the combustion of "difficult" fuels. We can evoke the use in alternative engines water / fuel mixtures of the type "aquazole" (gasoil + water) or "orimulsion" (bitumen + water) ...

In the case of direct injection diesel cycles, reductions of up to 70% for nitrogen oxides, 50% for CO and particles have been observed: better spraying of the gas oil, modification of the "chain" of the reactions of combustion explain these results.

If we start from a machine with poor combustion, so a poor performance, we can even see a significant improvement of the latter through an addition of water (whatever the form)!
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by Flytox » 11/07/08, 00:03

Bonjour Christophe

Super tone pdf. 8)
And indeed we have sought to optimize this implementation in gas turbines, reciprocating engines, dryers, incinerators ... and many patents have been filed for the concept and its applications from 1978.


This is the explanation of the radio silence of major automakers about the Gillier Pantome. They started patenting 1978 and have to laugh every day to see us re invent hot water : Mrgreen: . The technologies have been ready for a long time but already on the extinguisher since that time. : Evil:

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by alaniesse » 22/03/11, 11:22

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photo of the heart of the reactor Miraclean Larami Alaniesse v88,
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by dedeleco » 22/03/11, 13:04

It is necessary to mount it, the condensation of the water on the basic stoves burning wood very wet and especially for cheap !!!

The detailed practical description of the system is not very clear in the pdf that is content with the guidelines !!
Concrete explanations are missing.
If I understand correctly, condensed water vapor is recycled from the burnt gases leaving the air saturated with water vapor used to burn the fuel, to increase the water vapor tension of the burnt gases, which condense at higher temperature.
We do this involuntarily, the rainy days with incoming air outside saturated with water vapor.
The trick is to do it with saturated air preheated to 50 ° C?

It seems that the principle looks like a column of multiple condensations like that of distillation?
It would be good to see the texts of the different patents.
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by alaniesse » 22/03/11, 20:57

I think it's important that André can see. He is the one who has done the most physical testing by comparison.
It may be a test window that has been omitted.
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by gegyx » 22/03/11, 21:33

Ah! Friendly Alaniesse, you finally understood that on écono, there were still people who had fiddled quite a lot,
and that' Andre ou Christophe had touched this rise in temperature.

Maybe they will be more attentive this time, when they will see your blue stalk on the length, proving that you make real experiments,
and that your rod is provided with holes, adding a turbulent phenomenon ...

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by Christophe » 22/03/11, 22:35

Actually, I found that in 2001 ... there is almost 10 soon ... pfff ...

Info in the report to download here: https://www.econologie.com/rapport-d-ing ... es-93.html

André did a lot more work than me on the aerodynamic optimization of the rod, but in the end we never really managed to show, lacking means of measurement and investigation, that it really brought something to the level of engine performance. .

Re-read the beginning of this message: understanding injection water / etude-of-rod reactor-pantone-heating-or-cavitation-t4944.html

and: https://www.econologie.com/ionisation-de ... -3324.html
https://www.econologie.com/synthese-des- ... -3589.html

ps: some better photos would not hurt : Idea:
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