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by dufduf91 » 10/06/08, 13:32

Hello, 25 years from the south of Essonne 91

I am not of knowledge in welding, but only in mechanics.

I'm looking for parts to mount my first pantone on a r21 turbo diesel and on a 2,5 td utility.

Questions:
How to control the dosage of water spray at the intake level (see photo, 2. Diffuser / mixer by vacuum)?
"with an automated system and not by valve"
-How assessed my needs compared to a given engine and given power?

thank you in advance


How to control the dosage of water spray at the intake level?
"with an automated system and not by valve"

my answers:
-or by several calibrated injectors, supply by solenoid PILOTER MANUELEMENT or ELECTRONIC BOX (depending on engine load)

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by dufduf91 » 11/06/08, 15:34

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by dufduf91 » 12/06/08, 07:16

How does a BULLEUR dose the vapor in the intake?

no load, half load, full load
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by Flytox » 12/06/08, 23:21

Hello dufduf91

How does a BULLEUR dose the vapor in the intake?

no load, half load, full load


It depends a lot on your type of editing, but with a ladle,
The bubbler produces steam as a function of the heat that it receives (thermal load), of the temperature reached, of the gas stream which passes through it, etc. The "dosage" depends on the intake depression, your pipes (diameter, length, temperature, restrictions, pressure drops, quantity of water in the bubbler,% (air / vapor), materials in contact, etc.) ... an equation with a maximum of 'unknowns ... :frown:

Without load and therefore "without" heat and "without" suction, this produces little usable vapor (which saves fuel).
From half load to full pot, you will find something to eat and drink ... clearly try, and you will see if what your bubbler produces is well "dosed". : Mrgreen:

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by dufduf91 » 12/06/08, 23:40

Thank you for your answer.

Do you know a pantone with bubbler at a dealer that is worth it?

A pantone with bubbler, how to control its flow in real time?

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by Flytox » 13/06/08, 20:42

Hello dufduf91

For me, there is no seller or other cabriole merchants to advise you ..... in your place I will not buy anything quite expensive without any guarantee that it works. With in any case the obligation to bump you entirely the development and the changes.
Take a look at Jime's post as an example.

https://www.econologie.com/forums/dopage-d-u ... t4717.html

The only message to get across is that very many relevant answers to all the questions you are asking are spread over a few dozen posts from the forum. You have to start by reading, then read again, start to understand then get started ... : Mrgreen:
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by gary » 13/06/08, 21:06

How to control the dosage of water spray at the intake level

Hi, look at the diagram I got out of my head if it can give you ideas. Currently I am starting to manufacture the reactor.
Warning !!! I just guess it can work!

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by Other » 14/06/08, 03:44

Hello
How to control the dosage of water spray at the intake level?
"with an automated system and not by valve"


Normally a venturi in the intake, acts as a regulator
the more the engine sucks the more the depression increases at the neck of the venturi (this only becomes false in a slowed down in engine brake) but in most of the cases mounted or fast driving the depression follows the consumption of diesel (approximately) and the heat of the reactor.

a bubbler or a GV will react with depression
the amount of water consumed also depends on its temperature


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by dufduf91 » 16/06/08, 14:08

Hello, I chose a FORD Transit 2L TDDI 100CV to make my pantone.

83 000 km

Low pressure injection


The engine will be mainly used by a car towing load on a double axle platform (2t5),
I think the gain in consumption and pollution will not be negligible.

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