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Re: we have to believe that it works!




by Christophe » 26/06/06, 18:07

Silicon wrote:Pantone, we have to believe that it works!
I heard this opinion of a retired engineer.
I share and I like to stay skeptical ....


Fully agree if you ecoutes clowns calling themselves trainer but here (on econologie.com) sorry but there is no room for beliefs! Y is for hypothesis and intuitions but that's it!

So a little advice, before you lises more stupidity than that I advise you to spend a few hours on the site .... a start here: https://www.econologie.com/c-est-quoi-le ... -1313.html

Normally the flow of pages is "logical" ...

And after you can spend a good week dissecting the forum...

Silicon wrote:So if you want to face reality, gather tens of thousands of euros to equip like the pros, a tester on PC board with grabbers, probes, sensors, actuators ( valves etc ...) mounting a reactor surrounded by probes on a recent car and made the road tests. We can then do modeling and design a computer, or enter the car has air pollutes less and put everything in the trash (except the PC I get :-)


It was a bit the idea of ​​this page: https://www.econologie.com/entraide-auto ... s-606.html

Look at the dates to convince yourself that there is not much to expect from such common actions .... :( :(

Not to mention that this action is futile to 2 reasons:
1) even with a few thousand € (peanuts) we are not really on equal terms with the manufacturers (several hundred million € for the development of a new engine)

2) And after in the event of a supposed positive result? Are we going to whine at the manufacturers? They have already known for a very long time but as you said so well ... they defend their interests and the interests of those "they love" ... Then there is the NIH too ...

https://www.econologie.com/les-inventeur ... -3022.html
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Re: we have to believe that it works!




by zac » 26/06/06, 18:31

Silicon wrote:And that becomes the engine after a few thousand kilometers? Why nobody talks to analyze, even visually, the cylinders, piston rings ...? And analyze the exhaust?


Hello

All the guys who touch a little seriously to know paul pantone pantone is a crook (on my boat there a pantone mounted by my grand father died in 1978 and Pantone to "invent" in 1998 ").

Provides me mel in mp or an address and I send you all technical checks before and after the vehicles I have equipped.

If you pass in my corner I can also open 2 or 3 engines for you to see that a pantonized engine, is cleaner, suffers less and lasts more than an original engine.
In addition I would make you try 1 or 2 vehicle with and without pantones.

See the few guys that I equip groups and take your beautiful machines to control their consos and emissions After offering to exchange their old group pantonisé against a new standard and tells me their reaction !!! : Cheesy:

If it is mounted as it takes a pantone it works, why would I know anything asked Chambrin but died or disappeared! : Cry:

The bizarre thing with the detractor of the pantone is when you tell them: bring me a group or a tractor I equip you, you measure and we talk about it after they disappear : Evil:

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by PITMIX » 26/06/06, 22:21

hi silicon
I have always appreciated the reflections of those who do nothing.
Then go see what makes a guy.

He measured the ddp between rod and tube reactor.
Exactly what I wanted to do.
He put a steel rod in a steel tube. He passed water vapor at 90 ° C aspirated by an aquarium pump through the pseudo reactor.
It 1,3V get. There is nothing magical. Same as static electricity.
The plasma is what? (You'd think Sarko) An electrically charged aerosol.
And then good !! It's not extravagant.

Still able to make measurements to prove the existence of such phenomena is not easy for bricolos like us.
Some have the knowledge and skills but not always the means.
Putting money in common it is in Brave New World. But look what happens to the pledges during humanitarian disasters. The promises remain promises.
Easy to make people vote but to take action is something else.
Le forum allows us to share our ideas and experiences. An association would be ideal for the development of the system.
But if you look here, few people are sufficiently compentant neighbors. And make an association of people living in hundreds or thousands of terminals each other j'vois not the interest.
Or set up an association with neighbors, goats like me, it will be a herd, nothing more :?
(Sorry for those who live in IDF : Lol: )
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by Christophe » 26/06/06, 22:22

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by abyssin3 » 27/06/06, 10:54

pitmix wrote:I have always appreciated the reflections of those who do nothing.
Then go see what makes a guy.
He measured the ddp between rod and tube reactor.
Exactly what I wanted to do.
He put a steel rod in a steel tube. He passed water vapor at 90 ° C aspirated by an aquarium pump through the pseudo reactor.
It 1,3V get. There is nothing magical. Same as static electricity.
The plasma is what? (You'd think Sarko) An electrically charged aerosol.
And then good !! It's not extravagant.


I find it particularly interesting is just the kind of experience was missing for more on this story plasma. It would be interesting to know that it also obtained without heating. And even if it does not lead to a clear conclusion, it still allows to clarify the situation :P (Especially for me who does nothing :-()
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by bolt » 26/11/06, 19:17

This is just a guess:
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whether to a maximum difference between the T ° air knives, and that is limited by the T ° reached by the exhaust, why not try to make a montage that puts an air flow cold in the center of the rod
to refine:
does anyone know if wet vapor ionizes more than dry steam :?:

or, can dry steam ionize :?:

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by Christophe » 26/11/06, 19:22

In "preview", some images of a flow simulation (in 2d) carried out by RPSantina:

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by lio74 » 26/11/06, 20:12

Christophe wrote:In "preview", some images of a flow simulation (in 2d) carried out by RPSantina:
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WOAAA, nice is what I tried to do last year, finally early June .... but I tried to simulate the vortex valve ... complicated stuff, I had to import a file IGES (for those familiar CAD) ... finally I broke my head for nothing instead of doing simple stuff like that !!!

In short, for a farmer (I assume) reactor tractor, you're good science Bolt ... these beautiful images confirm your style blades that rub!

After the turbulent promotes the exchange of heat, but I think it's a disadvantage because it facilitates ionization ion recombination + and - ...

in any case the friction of the layers goes in the direction of the vortex theory of Marc C!

for the max Diff of T °, ​​ok in a storm because it increases the speed of the upward and downward flow => it increases the friction between these 2 layers and therefore it releases more charge ....

but in the reactor ... :| :?: I'm not sure it helps the ionization ...

this is just my opinion ... to see ... the idea of ​​cooling the rod can confirm or deny this! however it look me not easy to achieve : Cheesy:

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by zac » 26/11/06, 21:09

Hello

Looking at all your drawings zolies I think due to moitier bolt up and down his moitier reason depends on which half-core is due : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
rapsantina and wrongly at the beginning and right at the end : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:

Let me explain:
if we look a good user nucleus we see that it has traces bizares the beginning (like impact traces of cavitation) inexplicable with a laminar flow.
As against the end of the kernel can not see anything and the surface intact air (see rust on iron core that does not rotate daily).

I therefore think that there is a "bizarre" flow in the first part and that the reaction takes place there.
And that following the gases pass in laminar flow out.
Phenomenon favored by depression and, if as I believe the reaction is endothermic, the sharp decrease of volume of the gas.

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by bob_isat » 29/11/06, 09:18

it's beautiful but what's the point? what is the purpose of this modeling?
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