An early explanation of doping in the water?

[PITMIX]

Hi bob
To answer you, I would have to redo the assembly on my mini motorcycle in 100% Pantone.
I actually started today.
I would like to test DDP and others ...

[bob_isat]

Good evening
with hydrochloric acid, hello electrolyses it in bubblers , even in stainless steel (slower still for stainless steel)
bolt

a very small qty (like 1 or 2cl for a liter), I don't think it's very bad for metal.

[PITMIX]

Hello
Today I put my mini motorcycle engine back into service with a 100% Pantone assembly.
All the fuel consumed by the engine passes through the reactor.
I electrically isolated the engine from the reactor. I connected the motorcycle to earth and the reactor is isolated from the earth.

No PDD result
It can be explained perhaps because I did not run the engine more than a minute. So the reactor did not heat up.
I use a rubber exhaust and it burns out easily.
In addition a disturbing smoke came out of the exhaust .

[bolt]

Hello

By making a synthesis of everything that we can read: pantones working more or less, sometimes very well (specific consumption reduced by 5,5: follow my gaze ), or sometimes not at all: PITMIX (it is certainly not the only one)
and also, unfortunately, the pantones supposedly working wonderfully, but which in reality consume more (certainly more numerous than you think) ,But which actually indicate how best not to do

It is true that if we know the principle, we are less bothered to look in completely sterile directions, and certainly often discouraging, reminiscent of scam (to give good conscience), (must say 5,5, XNUMX it is not nothing) André will still think that I put a layer.


But hey, 54 pages to try to develop the Renault 5 doped with water: or do you think that it gets stuck

When it's like this, I think of three cases:
1) mechanical penguin
2) bad school
3) scam

In everything that is said about the pantone, to arrive at such results, let us start from another point of view:
I think that the rod, and the inter-rod iron tube has only a limited impact, and therefore, the choice of materials: iron, stub, stainless steel, nickel etc. remains to be confirmed

The water molecule is what is called a dipole molecule (with a North magnetic pole and a South

So, it is necessarily influenced by a magnetic field
I think this is the point to deepen

If a water molecule is in a very strong magnetic field: the northern part could for example. be attracted at the same time as the repulsed southern part: this would have the impact of wanting to separate these 2 different poles
the friction against the walls and the heat helping, it could effectively separate something.

Mr Pantone spoke well of an intense magnetic field to the point of sticking a key on a reactor, and needing two hands to tear it off

To have this magnetic field intensity, you need 2 things:
1) that particles rub hard and very quickly on the outside wall of the reactor: reference to what zac noticed: obligatory restriction of the inter-iron reactor / ech tube.
But this is not enough: the inner tube of the reactor must agree with this principle of magnetization
and that's why :
2) The inner tube of the reactor must necessarily exceed the Curie point (T ° at which the "magnetization crystals" can orient or disorient freely)
This is called the "Lapping"
Et without this break-in : heat this tube very hard during the friction of gases echoes at very high speed, everything else is "pissing on a violin"

So, even if after this "running in" the T ° goes up less it does not matter (the magnetization is already there)
This is why the pantone can improve over time: at a certain point, there necessarily comes a T ° never reached before, and which still releases some crystals to put them in the correct alignment (but do not forget that '' at this moment it is essential that the gas is rubbing quickly and hard, otherwise the crystals which have become free at this time will go back in the wrong direction: demagnetization)

During a first break-in, it is undoubtedly good to close the steam valve, so as to raise the temperature artificially more than normal (just long enough to exceed this famous point of curie) and then release the steam so create the thermal gap on either side of the wall of the tube, which will place the crystals in the right direction, just before the cooling created by the steam at that time, which then stabilizes these crystals (and always do not forget that at this time it is essential that the gas is rubbing quickly and hard, otherwise the crystals which have become free at this time will go back in the wrong direction (demagnetization) and you have to start all over

One question remains: and stainless steel for this tube, is it reasonable: can it magnetize
Given the heat, maybe, and once magnetized, maybe the rest is better

All comments are welcome

bolt

[Other]

Hello Bolt
I think you should communicate with Pitmix on his editing you would know a little more.
I'm not sure what you base yourself on to say that the external exhaust friction has influence, how do you explain the burner in pants or the flame hits the reactor at 90
(let's say this is not an example because without panton I manage to do the same combustion) but if you heat a reactor with an external source in 100% panton it works as well and no question of against current, (I did not try doping al, water)
Regarding the magnetism of the rod, nothing says that the magnetism is always in the same direction, overturns the rod and after a while it works again.
At the beginning I lost a lot of time with this history of magnetism of the rod, after many tries rod in material of hard steel rectified, rod filled with magnetic powder, ect ..
I wasted my time and what I learned, yes there is a magnetic field, but sometimes you take out the rod it attracts a nail, another time you take out the same rod it barely lifts the filings.
it took me a while to understand, when I experimented with rods made of material such as the transformer carcass, steel wire harness and washer stack
with a central clamping rod, and lastly filling with nickel balls,
I do not know certain we use the old machines which are used to demagnetize the pieces of steels, it will make the same observation, if one operates badly this machine one is left with a bar magnetized more or less. Let's say I won't elaborate more

But put a steel cable in place of the rod and it no longer works, or make a rod by pushing several telescopic tubes and it no longer works.
I am far from being convinced that the break-in has something to do with magnetism, with all the time I have lost on magnetism, I saw that it is elsewhere that this is happening.
The high temperature and the flow at the end of the rod

Now the big figures that some announce, when we search we realize that a good editor on (Buster) overvalue their consumption before pants and then arrive in pants with big% as described so well Michelm
since we had the same vehicles we are talking about it.
On when a Mercedes 190 D man who makes 9 liters per 100km before panton is a bit to force the note, we must not forget that there are many readers on the forum and probably some have the same vehicles.
Last night I saw a tractor at work at nightfall
and I was surprised to see the heat in the exhaust pipe,
I believed it more or less, but now I understand why it works better on these engines.

Andre

[bolt]

how do you explain the panton burner where the flame hits the reactor at 90
(let's say this is not an example because without panton I manage to do the same combustion) but if you heat a reactor with an external source in 100% panton it works as well and no question of against current, (I did not try doping al, water)
Regarding the magnetism of the rod, nothing says that the magnetism is always in the same direction, overturns the rod and after a while it works again.
At the beginning I lost a lot of time with this history of magnetism of the rod, after many tries rod in material of hard steel rectified, rod filled with magnetic powder, ect ..
I wasted my time and what I learned, yes there is a magnetic field

Hello André
I'm not talking about the rod, for me, the rod is mainly useful for bringing the water molecules as close as possible to the inner wall of the inner tube of the reactor, simply so that they are in the most magnetizing place for destabilize them (a magnet exerts maximum force when the space between it and the iron piece is zero)
But this rod, staying in a magnetic field often retains a certain magnetization, and as many have already said: is only an effect of the fields and not the primary cause (but this observed effect could well have a certain secondary cause , however small it may be)

bolt

[PITMIX]

Hi bolt
I'm definitely a penguin mecano
Otherwise the blow of closing the steam outlet to raise the temperature in the reactor and then open the bubbler, this is exactly the system I had on my car.
It is true that I never thought of controlling the magnetism of the rod, but by placing it on the bench always in brothel I never noticed that it attracted anything.
As for the friction of the exhaust gases in the opposite direction, it is necessary to reason in terms of heat exchange. This improves the exchange. And that's all.
For me the Pantone is a good way to boost an engine with water because it allows to obtain certain conditions favorable to the engine. But I think it is possible to get the same thing without a reactor.
Not to mention magnetism or whatever, it is above all water that improves the yield.
In what form ??? I do not know.

[lau]

But I think it is possible to get the same thing without a reactor.

at home in any case, as soon as I remove the reactor, the economy evaporates, even if we regulate the steam by valves.
I did several tests which all failed to be able to break through the 15% wall. You only have to see my section to realize it, and still I haven't put everything.
But one thing is certain, it is that I save around 1L of diesel / 100.
I recently put a 3/4 pipe which allowed me to reduce my consumption of water (passage with holes) and obtain different pulsations (frequencies and echos).
Results: no better!
Where it can still play, but even then I'm not sure of anything, put a reactor like everyone else (without double compartment therefore strong restriction) and which could greatly increase the heat exchange.
And to say that I almost wasted circles on nickel ... thank you André!

[bolt]

I wasted my time and what I learned, yes there is a magnetic field, but sometimes you take out the rod it attracts a nail, another time you take out the same rod it barely lifts the filings.
Andre

Hello André
If you have already had this experience, we can think that the rod magnetizes more or less strongly according to certain conditions, which can be:
1) steam speed and water vapor saturation rate
2) T °

We can therefore assume that when the engine is stopped, the heat conditions during the stop influence the residual magnetization (the history of the crystals more or less free according to T °)

When you did a blowtorch on the reactor for a burner, the rod was run in the same way as on an engine:
kind of brownish brown insulating and smooth varnish like earthenware, which has nothing to do with rust:
if we test with an ohmmeter, the current does not pass, even by pressing hard but without scratching (if we scratch with the tip of the ohmmeter, we rediscover the metal)

For PITMIX
you are certainly not a mechanical penguin, considering the work you have accomplished
By the way, do you have a running-in result like I just described, or is it different

bolt

[PITMIX]

Hi lau

If I wrote this it is because I think of the G system and not of the Pantone reactor itself.
Paul Pantone laid the reactor to serve in operation which we call on this forum "100% Pantone".

But what we almost all talk about on these pages is water doping using the Pantone reactor in a roundabout way.

Finally the guy who managed to lower the consumption of an engine and to pollute less with a Pantone reactor in water doping has as much merit as Paul Pantone himself.

He managed to take advantage of the Pantone reactor but without using it in its primary function.

This makes me think that if it is possible to obtain something correct with a Pantone reactor, which ultimately is no longer one, it is also possible to obtain it as well other than by going through the reactor.