An early explanation of doping in the water?

Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
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by Eg » 22/04/06, 20:35

And by polarizing the reactor directly by an external source, such as an HV generator powered by the electrical circuit? Scanning the range of probable voltages could result in the hanging of voltage values ​​which are optimal for engine operation.
I know that it does not correspond to the spirit of the assembly since on the contrary we want to measure what emerges from a functioning reactor, but at least there, we would master the ddp.
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by PITMIX » 22/04/06, 20:55

Well yes in this case you will actually get the right PDD.
But what we want is to master the nature of the fluid that passes through the reactor. The PDD will be the right one when the fluid passing through the reactor will have the right values ​​of temperatures, speed, pressure, density of water in the air etc ...
Your idea will allow to know which DDP it is necessary to reach so that the system functions well but it will not give any other indication on the dimensioning of the system to reach the good DDP.
Unless your system is adaptable to any on-board assembly and so would solve all other sizing problems.
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by ecototo » 23/04/06, 11:31

.... about the injections of water into the engines ....

http://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/moteur_a_eau.pdf

even if it has already been posted, I put it back ... really well done

I read it twice, and I keep learning it
Like what, already in 1930, he had already discovered a lot of stuff ...
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by Other » 23/04/06, 17:22

Hello ecoto

I do not know if you have well examine the file
in one place there is a photo of a pump to tare the injectors
quite rustic but which still resembles a certain model that we find in the trade
(I am well aware I just made a pump)

"He calls it thermal indicator, this equipment is used to evaluate the calorific value of fuels"

We suppose that it is simply a fault of interpretation or layout, or that the guy who wrote this is not very aware of what it means to tare an injector,
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by ecototo » 23/04/06, 19:03

yeah I saw this pump, my father used it at one time but he said too much to me ...

it may be very interesting if you managed to have one.
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by bob_isat » 24/04/06, 15:36

PITMIX wrote:Hello
In terms of increasing electrification it is an idea but not necessarily the right one. My idea is to measure the good DDP that which corresponds to a good engine efficiency. And it is not necessarily the highest.
All of this encourages me to do the assembly of a small experimental engine myself on which I could measure the PDD.


Hi everybody

I do not think that the ddp is a good indicator unfortunately.


the link between the charged steam flow and the ddp is not "direct":

the passage of current between the tube and the exhaust is uncontrollable: it depends on the type of weld, its size but also on the electrical resistance between the exhaust and the mass of the vehicle ...

it cannot be a universal indicator for everyone.

for the translation of the publication, I'm working on it

if not for the history of the ph of water, I reiterate: one cannot electrify water vapor of ph 7.
This explains why this dear Paul passes exhaust gases through the bubbler:

the Co2 contained in the gases acidifies the water in the bubbler ...
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by Other » 24/04/06, 16:16

Hello Bob

However in the experiments of machine which produce electricity, by a passage of water vapor in a conduit and steam jets, it uses distilled water in the boiler.
I believed for a long time that the bubbler produced distilled water.
but after having experimented with a roll of wire in the bubbler to make rusty water, I realized that the stainless steel rod became as brown, despite what we call stainless steel, if we deposit rust on stainless steel it begins oxidation on the rod, We actually call stainless steel the chromium and nickel and iron alloys but what makes them stainless is the thin layer of nickel oxidation which protects it, it it is for this reason that the polish of the rod must be at its maximum so that the oxide film is the most uniform, it is the same case with the aluminum rods it is the thin layer of oxide which protects.

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by lau » 24/04/06, 16:19

Hi Bob!

the role of oxides on the bubbler water could perhaps have a positive role.
I am carrying out tests in this sense and I will inform the forum if it is found positive on the perf or consumption.
There are so many parameters to calibrate that it is difficult to achieve improvement.
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by PITMIX » 24/04/06, 22:03

It really pisses me off that I don't have a good base because the experiences to do are interesting.
In the meantime I'm still trying to understand why my reactor is not working or almost.
Too bad for the PDD.
However if it changes depending on the size of the pipes and we are all trying to have the same DDP value then it will be up to us to size the installation in order to obtain the voltage value in question.
Good go I stop. : Cheesy:
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by geotrouvetout » 25/04/06, 01:33

Hello,

I posted this link in another section:

http://www.patrimoine.polytechnique.fr/ ... trong.html

this shows what could happen inside the reactor, on the other hand if we look at the table of the triboelectric series, we should use two different materials (one which gives electrons and another which accepts it) example a tube in SS with a high percentage of nickel or a copper tube and an aluminum core, the reactor being isolated from the engine block by heat resistant rubber hoses to avoid an electron leakage thus a loss of electrostatic potential, remains at do the calculation with the inside surface of the outside tube and the outside surface of the inside tube or core, the space between these 2 surfaces and the speed of the injected vapor.
By cons by having the outer tube in aluminum and the inner one in copper or SS there will be less risk of electric shock if it is touched, because the aluminum has a negative potential.
I think it is more a surface area than space ratio between the tubes and that the goal is to obtain a maximum of DDP between the tubes for a maximum of efficiency (maybe a relationship with Eccles which uses the forces electrostatic to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen in the water).

GEO : Idea: .
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