Monsanto Roundup deadly to humans - Glyphosate

[izentrop]

Another study that the media hasten to disseminate but whose seriousness and conclusions are more than doubtful http://seppi.over-blog.com/2018/09/l-ab ... -oups.html

[Ahmed]

The extremely polemical tone of your critical reference hardly pleads in favor of its seriousness ...

[izentrop]

Come on, one more.

[izentrop]

There are still sometimes sensible and thoughtful words in the press

Glyphosate and masturbation By Laurent Alexandre https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/socie ... 37673.html

The political class must not fuel conspiracy, antiscience and apocalyptic fears through demagoguery.
Abandoning glyphosate would, for example, bring soil conservation agriculture to a dead end and force us to return to plowing, which consists of turning the soil over, which is ecologically harmful.

In addition to overconsumption of diesel, an increase in CO2 emissions, fine particles and labor costs, we would be depriving ourselves of an effective practice for storing carbon in the soil. Unfortunately, glyphosate has been demonized.

As the expert Gérard Pascal * points out: "While it is undeniable that glyphosate is a dangerous product, since it kills weeds, the risk it presents for humans is not, in my opinion, not scientifically established to date. "

By reducing masturbation, circumcision was supposed to avoid epilepsy, asthma, club feet, scoliosis, hernias, strabismus, blindness, deafness, tuberculosis and cancer ... Let us be more rational than XNUMXth century doctors. Statements made by LREM's general delegate, Christophe Castaner, explaining that mediated diseases like that of the Argentinian Fabian Tomasi are due to glyphosate, are dangerous.
When the Jean-Jaurès Foundation tells us that 9% of French people think that the Earth is flat; 30%, that AIDS was made to kill Africans; and 55%, that Agnes Buzyn is in cahoots with the industry to hide the dangers of vaccines, the political class must not fuel conspiracy, antiscience and apocalyptic fears through demagoguery. It took twenty years to convince parents that the MMR and hepatitis vaccines did not cause autism or multiple sclerosis. France has the best food in the world, let's open the debate to make good products while respecting the environment, without panicking the French. And let's listen to independent scientists!

[Janic]

Another one who masturbates too much!

The political class must not fuel conspiracy, anti-science and apocalyptic fears through demagoguery.
Abandoning glyphosate would, for example, bring soil conservation agriculture to a dead end and force us to return to plowing, which consists of turning the soil over, which is ecologically harmful.

It is not only plowing to eliminate certain "weeds", as demonstrated by the agrobio who do without them.

Unfortunately, glyphosate has been demonized.

Like other chemicals before him like DDT, the dangers of which have not been scientifically established that much too late, but this does not specifically concern glyphosate which is only one harmful chemical among others, it is the chemistry aimed at food and health which is questioned, more than a product particular.

As the expert Gérard Pascal * points out: "While it is undeniable that glyphosate is a dangerous product, since it kills weeds, the risk it presents for humans is not, in my opinion, not scientifically established to date."

As usual the phony pretext: 'it has not been scientifically established that ... This confused figure established and recognized. Asbestos has been scientifically established as dangerous by the victims but recognized late because it can no longer be denied.

By reducing masturbation, circumcision was supposed to avoid epilepsy, asthma, club feet, scoliosis, hernias, strabismus, blindness, deafness, tuberculosis and cancer ... Let us be more rational than XNUMXth century doctors. Statements made by LREM's general delegate, Christophe Castaner, explaining that mediated diseases like that of the Argentinian Fabian Tomasi are due to glyphosate, are dangerous.

Foolish arguments! circumcision does not prevent masturbation, any more than dentures prevent mastication ... argument just as stupid by the way!

When the Jean-Jaurès Foundation tells us that 9% of French people think that the Earth is flat;

https://www.msn.com/fr-fr/actualite/france/est-il-vrai-quun-fran%C3%A7ais-sur-dix-croit-que-la-terre-est-plate-/ar-BBNQ0d4
After mentioning these results in the French media, several journalists, notably from Marianne, or Arrêt sur Images, questioned the meaning and especially on the survey methodology. The main criticisms were that the formulation of the proposed theories was vague or that they were not necessarily conspiratorial; that respondents did not always know the conspiracy theories suggested but that they still had to give their opinion; and that they could not then declare that they have no opinion.

And furthermore

Jérémie Peltier: In my opinion, this is also part of the "everything is worth" which is spreading more and more, conveyed for example by our media system. So, on a TV set, to have the contradiction, we will invite a recognized and competent expert on the subject, and we will confront him with someone who does not have absolutely the same profile or the qualities required to express himself. . But we give the same importance to their word.

It is an established fact that it works in both directions because when a recognized expert is in opposition to the "politically correct" discourse it is generally individuals (generally journalists) who do not have the same profile, nor the qualities. required to express themselves that accord the same importance.
And even worse, pseudo-scientific sites that are themselves.

30%, that AIDS was made to kill Africans;

Same as the rest. There is confusion between AIDS, which is a loss of the immune system, and HIV, which is just a retrovirus among the thousands of viruses that inhabit all living things. Cum hoc ergo propter hoc ... In other words: Correlation is not causation.

and 55%, that Agnes Buzyn is in cahoots with the industry to hide the dangers of vaccines

It or another does not change the fact that there is a disconnect between the scientific accounts of the serious side effects of vaccines (and which are widely established worldwide by other independent scientists, and therefore compensated) and that this lady refuses to recognize. Wick or not, there is something wrong!

, the political class must not fuel conspiracy, anti-science and apocalyptic fears through demagoguery. It took twenty years to convince parents that the MMR and hepatitis vaccines did not cause autism or multiple sclerosis.

And it will take less for it to finally be recognized. Our scientists are not the only ones around the world, and Holocaust denial is not a scientific argument.

France has the best food in the world,

Cock-a-doodle Doo ! What is the best? on what criteria?

let's open the debate to make good products while respecting the environment, without panicking the French. And let's listen to independent scientists!

Yes, let's listen to the REALLY independent scientists.

[Ahmed]

My remarks today will relate to the fairly revealing form of a point in the document (there are others, such as the use of the coarse device of analogy with absurd beliefs) because, as said Victor Hugo"the form is the bottom which rises to the surface".
It is written at the corner of a sentence:

... without panicking the French.

In this harmless formula, I detect both the haughty contempt of those who feel legitimate to think in the place of others and a cognitive dissonance general enough to have the most harmful effects.
Let me explain: when we speak of "the French", this means that we are posed as outside this category, it is clearly a posture of separation, of distancing that shines through and, what is more, in a sense of implicit hierarchy.

Likewise, when we speak of "nature", the enunciation of this concept suggests an externality of the speaker with respect to this reality. From this simple and innocuous artificial dichotomy, however, results the opportunity and therefore the practice of the destruction of this world of which we are not really aware, for the most part, of participating fully and without any possibility of abstracting ourselves from it, if by chance. we felt the temptation (as transhumanist theories clearly express).

[izentrop]

You oppose a pitch based on statistics and science to yours based on feeling and emotion.

[Ahmed]

It is you who feels it as such because you are blinded by the numbers and by an excessive fascination for Science. Without in any way denying the latter, other equally legitimate approaches are possible.

[Janic]

You oppose a pitch based on statistics and science to yours based on feeling and emotion.

it is not modesty that stifles you.
a) the statistics are always the object of interpretation because they do not take into account all the parameters which make it possible to establish them, they therefore only indicate an orientation of its interpreters.
b) THE science is not the fact of some scientists dependent on the lobbies, but of the whole of the possible knowledge in all the explicable fields with the little that we know. Science is like water which takes forms, various states and which covers the whole of this planet and very proud the one who claims to know everything.
c) Most of the fields explored by scientists are based on the emotional which determines beliefs in everything and their opposite
d) and therefore the feeling, as intuition depends on it and all great connoisseurs have gone through these criteria.
So start by accumulating all the knowledge necessary for a subject before making summary judgments.

[Ahmed]

I must admit a personal loathing for numbers and this "emotional" aspect was subsequently reinforced by the use which is made of them with a view to manipulating public opinion. The crudest case is that of false figures, but still remains quite frequent since it allows inexpensively to throw off an opponent who will then be able to restore the truth only with great difficulty because of the media nature of this strategy. But, the numbers being devoid of meaning by themselves, it is often more skillful to play on the choice or the dress of these numbers.
I talk about it knowingly, since in a previous life I built graphics and the challenge was to find the right way to make them express a fair representation of the phenomena, which was no small task and required a lot of rigor and a lot of subtlety to achieve something serious. Obviously, the reverse would have been very easy and the desire to fool in the desired direction very easy, all without changing a single figure.
We must never forget that the making of opinion is a science which occupies a number of specialists whose talent should not be made to underestimate.