A cyclonic supercavitation generator at H2O / CO2

[sicetaitsimple]

The principle of a generator that uses the thermal energy of water at low temperatures to produce electricity is even less so.
The essential is in the transmitted pdf.

The problem is that your pdf is completely hollow ....

Recover energy (not electricity, either) from water at low temperature we know largely how to do it with heat pumps with COP of 4 or 5.

So what potential return for your system, compared to that of a heat pump? How many degrees does your water lose? Where do you do that?

Having a vague idea of ​​the potential return and the practical possibilities of implementation can still avoid going into dead ends.

[moinsdewatt]

Something else also when you go to the pump, I recently had confirmation that major oil companies are pursuing research with almost unlimited budgets on real sustainable solutions ... to put them on the market when it will be the most interesting for them!
Why change a team that wins so much?

Ah, is it your hairdresser who gave you these tips?

Find us something else.

[Sylvester spiritus]

To avoid dispersing:

If that reassures you Sicetaitsimple, I would have had the same reflection as you if they had presented it to me, from start to finish, a few years ago; but we have the right to change our mind and the possibility of expressing it, right?
(For water / water heat pumps, they actually have a very good COP, ideal with spring water at 10-12 ° C, but the machines and installation are expensive and for me, fragile because stuffed with electronics In a humid environment, a neighbor had tinkered with his system himself by returning the 3KW from his hydroelectric turbine.
All good: approx. 10 kw for heating when it worked well ... he had no spring water and used river water which, by freezing, damaged his installation. A good idea though ...)

Let's go back to our five-legged sheep:
The aim of the pdf is to take a first step towards a "new" idea: to transform the thermal energy of water directly into kinetic energy, therefore into electricity.
What is observed in a cyclone is reproduced in miniature and accelerated to use the kinetic energy of the microjets of water imploding at the periphery.
Hard to swallow ... for sure! Heavy to digest, that's for sure !!!

If I have not addressed the yields, it is because we reach the best speeds of water microjets measured in the laboratory (1100-1200 m / s) and that raises another question: if it is not of classical cavitation, what do you know?

Before tackling this part, does the first part already seem acceptable to you, namely a mini-cyclone which spits 96 extremely powerful microjets of water distributed over 24 vortex tubes starting from the central zone in depression until peripheral zone in overpressure?
If not, there is no point in getting tired ...

Ps: for "no energy" or less watt: no, he's a researcher who has worked for the last ten years of his working life in this type of lab, why?
You think I'm making up.
You really have your mind stuck between the keyboard and the screen my word !!!
Sorry, you have to stop inflating your world ...

[sicetaitsimple]

To avoid dispersing:

If that can reassure you Sicetaitsimple, I would have had the same thought as you if they had presented this to me, blankly,

I have no need to be reassured .....

That's just what the yield potential with a system optimized from water at "room" temperature, that's the question. It must be able to be calculated (without violating the laws of thermodynamics), right?

And then the more "practical" aspects. which nevertheless remain important.

[Remundo]

Before tackling this part, does the first part already seem acceptable to you, namely a mini-cyclone which spits 96 extremely powerful microjets of water distributed over 24 vortex tubes starting from the central zone in depression until peripheral zone in overpressure?

I am very curious and optimistic, let's say "why not"?
download/file.php?id=6020
but is there the beginning of a proto which shows that it is possible? ... if the jets come out, we put a 96 mini Pelton turbines behind and we count the kWh.

If not, there is no point in getting tired ...

And yes. In any case, we have the opportunity to re-discover cool things about cavitation.

[sicetaitsimple]

Okay, so let's see if I understood correctly:

- we take water at room temperature, say 20 ° C.
- by any process it is cavitated, that is to say that steam bubbles are created, this without external energy supply that it would otherwise be necessary to subtract from the total balance (from this point of view the illustration by the can or the ball of MK47 is irrelevant, except to visualize the phenomenon).
- So we have a mixture of steam bubbles at 20 ° C (well I think) and water at less than 20 ° C (it was necessary to provide the vaporization energy to the steam bubbles).
- By another process or an integrated process, we manage to capture these vapor bubbles at 20 ° C. Great!
-So far so good
- but the question is what do we do with steam at 20 ° C to transform it into electricity?

Whoever has the solution is a billionaire.

[moinsdewatt]

- but the question is what do we do with steam at 20 ° C to transform it into electricity?

Whoever has the solution is a billionaire.

There is no solution to this otherwise we would have exploited water vapor in tropical countries for a long time.

[Sylvester spiritus]

- but the question is what do we do with steam at 20 ° C to transform it into electricity?

Whoever has the solution is a billionaire.

There is no solution to this otherwise we would have exploited water vapor in tropical countries for a long time.

However, we observe that, naturally, water at 26 ° C and favorable conditions are capable of generating hurricanes, cyclones, typhoons, to take you home and take your life ...
(take the first link transmitted on the "thermal machine" that is a cyclone)

The idea of ​​imitating and amplifying this phenomenon thanks to:
1- the use of an H20-CO2 mixture which transforms into H2CO3 (with the particularities that we know depending on the temperature and pressure)
2- the use of vortex tubes in depression which, by bringing a cold current towards the center of the system, will accentuate the central depression and amplify the internal thermal imbalance and thus favor the central aspiration.
3- replacing the kinetics of strong winds with very powerful microjets of water
doesn't seem as crazy to me as what our "nuclear fire wizards" are doing right now, trying to contain millions of degrees of fusion reactions by magnetic fields.

Ps: by the way Lessdewatt, I apologize for my last reaction to the skin.
Recognize anyway that, if we put aside our preconceptions and vain quarrels we advance faster and better ...
And I do not want to find myself in the shoes of a gladiator in the arena because while I justify myself, I do not advance on the explanations necessary for a good understanding of the phenomena at stake (and which are not simple to address).
All of this will end up in private messages for the few interested in building a prototype if I cannot express myself calmly; It would be a shame because I think we all have to gain by adopting Remundo's position: "Wait and see!"

Kind regards.

[sicetaitsimple]

However, we observe that, naturally, water at 26 ° C and favorable conditions are capable of generating hurricanes, cyclones, typhoons, to take you home and take your life ...

The observation of natural phenomena does not answer the question of the theoretical maximum yield of a process as you present it.

I am not by far a cyclone specialist! But it seems to me that:

- they benefit from an almost infinite source of energy (the ocean) at the time of their formation, even low efficiency is not a problem.
- then they move and therefore find new sources, no matter the yield, they will feed.
- that generally when they touch the ground they weaken then stop for lack of food.

Any electricity production system is a priori a fixed system (or you must have a particularly flexible extension!), You will not move it.

I therefore repeat my question.

[Remundo]

All of this will end up in private messages for the few interested in building a prototype if I cannot express myself calmly; It would be a shame because I think we all have to gain by adopting Remundo's position: "Wait and see!"

Kind regards.

Yes, be nice to Sylvestre, please.

there are several things that combine in what Sylvestre offers; so we can't beforehand say it doesn't work. But without proto, we will remain in expectation.

Sylvestre, develop as you wish.