Baby boomers, this golden generation

[plasmanu]

It would be necessary to ask the Romans of 2000 years ago if they were envious of the Greeks who were envious of the Atlanteans who were envious of ...

It is good to know that it is when there is no world war or bombs, massacre everywhere: everything is so much better.

The baby boomers had to rebuild.

[plasmanu]

And if the golden age is to build on ruins.
It leaves you thinking about the future.
Do you need another pile of ruins to experience another golden age.

[Ahmed]

If your last sentence contains a hint of truth, then we're off to a good start!

[plasmanu]

I don't know if the future will prove me right.
But history is full of sad cases.
After each golden age of a civilization ... The rest is the same.

I had put "pile of ashes" at the beginning. If that changes anything.

But economists are adamant.
Infinite growth in a finite world is possible.
It leaves a respite.

[Ahmed]

To believe in an eternal restarting on the basis of a few historical examples is misleading.
There comes a time when previous choices definitely exclude possibilities.
We live in a unique period in the history of mankind, never had such forces been deployed to eradicate the conditions of life on earth; a good part of what has already been destroyed cannot be restored, and what can be destroyed will require efforts beyond measure with those which would be necessary for its simple maintenance (often abstention would be enough!).
The possibility of changing the model still exists, but the longer the decision is delayed, the more delicate things will be and, as nothing indicates such a will, nor through what channel it could be expressed, only those "through whom the desert arrives" reign supreme, it is permissible to be little optimistic ...

[sen-no-sen]

It is certain that in the sequence "belt tightening" and "found prosperity", only the first term has a sad consistency ...

In his latest work "Become yourself",Jacques Attali invite the future miserable that we will become to reconnect to our deep nature (sic) * ... while the haves will loot the rest, while remaining Zen well understood!
There, finally, we will arrive at "found prosperity"!


* In reality the "self" of J. Attali has nothing in common with the "Self" of the great masters of wisdom, it is in reality, and in a particularly subtle and perfidious way to make believe that we have to fulfill our desires, if not our fantasies in the system in order to "fulfill" us.
It is a gigantic intellectual imposture whose aim is to guarantee the total submission of the oppressed by a return to a new age mysticism ...

[Ahmed]

For a short period and over a reduced geographical era, the model of the consumer society corresponded to a need for the expansion of the system and seemed to have to settle, ultimately, all the contradictions.
However, this path led to a material deadlock and the new doxa do not hesitate to promote an opposite approach, which is the sustained and selective decrease ...
Every organism persists in its being, and stumbling on any constructed wall any alternative, provided that it allows it to last a little longer ...
Thus, when a vital function is reached in an individual, compensatory mechanisms intervene to compensate for the deficit, this to the detriment of important functions, but secondary in the immediate future.
What we are witnessing is the construction of an ideological superstructure whose purpose is to deny reality and to reconcile opposites.
It is possible to date this evolution to the emergence of the concept of "sustainable development" (admirable oxymoron!) And to the surrealist proclamation that current consumption should not harm the "satisfaction of future generations" (without knowing what these needs would be, nor how to assess the right measure of what can or cannot be destroyed ..); this only announced the rise of "green economies" (another oxymoron!) supposed not to impact the environment and even to help restore it, which would imply that growth would become desirable other than to save the economy, for example. a highly improbable dialectical reversal!

[sen-no-sen]

What we are witnessing is the construction of an ideological superstructure whose purpose is to deny reality and to reconcile opposites.

Yes that sums up the "Attaliesque" vision very well.
It must be said that, failing to be a good economist, he is an admirable hoaxer!
We also find this double discourse through fascism and anarchism, namely a very romantic (and hypothetical) "return to the source" (which we find among the extreme left "Zadists" of Notre Dame des Landes , or survivalo-fascists on the other side ...), which actually serves to scuttle the development of really effective countermeasures against the system.

For the fascist movements, it is a question of returning to the traditions of yesteryear - at least in the discourse - in order, in reality, to reinstall the structures of economic domination inside our country. by F. Roddier: in times of "lean cow" systems are subdivided into several areas of Ising, hence the return to nationalism, regionalism etc ...).
As for the anarchists, the very definition of this movement (the absence of hierarchy) irremediably push citizens distraught by the "thugs" to turn to an authoritarian power ... which allows to reassert the said power!

[Ahmed]

I have not read the last work ofAttali, but its mode of operation is not difficult to decipher ...
He is not a good economist, certainly, but does he exist? Besides, this is not his main concern, guru is enough for him!

As for anarchism, it is very simplistic to assimilate it to a brutal suppression of all authority, which would not fail to entail the consequence that you describe in those who are too accustomed to "buying" ready-made solutions. to astute salespeople ...
I am not more sure that the "return to the source" is one of the foundations, it is more, perhaps, a manifestation of symmetrical opposition ...

[sen-no-sen]

As for anarchism, it is very simplistic to assimilate it to a brutal suppression of all authority, which would not fail to entail the consequence that you describe in those who are too accustomed to "buying" ready-made solutions. to astute salespeople ...
I am not more sure that the "return to the source" is one of the foundations, it is more, perhaps, a manifestation of symmetrical opposition ...

My analysis is not based on the ideological (and idealist) definition of anarchism, which has been completely overused over time, but on historical facts, all the more so today.
The bulk of the troops of the so-called "anar" movements are made up of individuals at odds with society (many young people in conflict with their parents) and who unite through certain events to express repressed anger.
Unfortunately this one is more catharsis than a real dialectical effort ...
"The return to the sources" is rather part of the foundations of fascist mythology - primitive fascism - (eg with "the school of Uriage" in France), but it finds more and more followers through different movements, in response to the decline in state power and its ability to protect its citizens.