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by Gaston » 27/01/12, 16:17

RealWheel wrote:There is a very simple and overunit device! It's the tuning fork. By vibrating the device and placing it vertically on an electronic scale, we can see a variation in weight from 38 to 44 grams, between the resting state and the vibratory state.
What indicates that one can draw from it an energy higher than that which served to put it in vibration :?:
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by RealWheel » 27/01/12, 16:31

Gaston wrote:
RealWheel wrote:There is a very simple and overunit device! It's the tuning fork. By vibrating the device and placing it vertically on an electronic scale, we can see a variation in weight from 38 to 44 grams, between the resting state and the vibratory state.
What indicates that one can draw from it an energy higher than that which served to put it in vibration :?:


Very simple ! The energy required to maintain the vibratory system is very low. It corresponds to friction. The energy recovered at the output is equal to the propelling force x speed. The propulsive force does not depend on the input power but on simple parameters such as radius, mass and frequency of vibration.
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by dedeleco » 27/01/12, 17:42

RealWheel = DreamWheel set out to demolish the walls with its imaginary over-energy, very hard walls, which will remind it of unavoidable reality.

He must read physics lessons, measure his alleged effect with fifty different scales, including old beam scales and check that he does not take bladders for lanterns, which he has been doing for a very long time !!

ReamWheel should try superconductivity at ordinary temperature, to join those who thought they were watching it by making a mistake !!
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by RealWheel » 27/01/12, 18:05

We cannot blame you for defending the fundamental laws of science.

Since Lavoisier, we firmly believe that nothing is lost and nothing is created. It is the famous postulate of conservation of the energy of a closed system. This statement obviously makes it impossible to amplify energy within a system. At most we have admitted the energy matter equivalence, according to the famous formula of Albert Einstein.

Curiously one of the greatest French mathematician-physicist of the beginning of the XXth century, Monsieur Henri Poincarré, had confided to Lorentz that certain fundamental principles of science should not be swept away in the frenzy of establishing the foundations of a new mechanism relativistic. And among these fundamental principles, Poincarré had listed Newton's third law without which the construction of a universal machine would become possible.

Indeed, the violation of this third law opens the way to the possibility of creating a universal machine, but also it calls into question the law of conservation of energy since the amplification of power in a machine becomes possible.

I leave you to this reflection!
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by Gaston » 27/01/12, 18:16

RealWheel wrote:Very simple ! The energy required to maintain the vibratory system is very low. It corresponds to friction. The energy recovered at the output is equal to the propelling force x speed.
Nothing quantitative in there ...

"very low" does not mean zero, and there is no indication that the one recovered is greater.

Similar example:
The torque required to run an alternator (no-load) is "very low", so it suffices to connect several to recover more energy than the vehicle engine provides. : roll:
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by RealWheel » 27/01/12, 18:31

Gaston wrote:
RealWheel wrote:Very simple ! The energy required to maintain the vibratory system is very low. It corresponds to friction. The energy recovered at the output is equal to the propelling force x speed.
Nothing quantitative in there ...

"very low" does not mean zero, and there is no indication that the one recovered is greater.

Similar example:
The torque required to run an alternator (no-load) is "very low", so it suffices to connect several to recover more energy than the vehicle engine provides. : roll:


If a propulsion system provides a thrust of 1 T and the vehicle travels at a speed of 100 km / h or about 30 m / s, the power supplied will be equal to: 10000 x 30 = 300.000 W = 300 KW

It is easy to determine the power required to keep the rotating mass in rotation stable. You go to the SKF website and calculate the power absorbed by the bearings for a radial force equal to 10 / 000 = 2 N. You then multiply the resistive torque given by SKF by the angular speed of rotation of your mass (in rd / s) and you will get the power.

As for the amplification coefficient, you calculate it by the ratio COE = P outlet / P inlet.

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by RealWheel » 25/03/12, 18:40

Obtaining a constant unidirectional force with rotating masses animated by a complex movement is possible and can be demonstrated by the equations.

The break in symmetry of the machine leads to a power amplification such that COE = W out / W inlet> 1;

Typically, one could build an engine which provides a propulsive power of 135 KW using 200 W as input.

Thank you for your attention
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by dedeleco » 25/03/12, 21:41

RealWheel wrote:Obtaining a constant unidirectional force with rotating masses animated by a complex movement is possible and can be demonstrated by the equations.

The break in symmetry of the machine leads to a power amplification such that COE = W out / W inlet> 1;

Typically, one could build an engine which provides a propulsive power of 135 KW using 200 W as input.

Thank you for your attention


DreamWheel returns with its physical inconsistencies, with monumental calculation errors on equations constantly checked in physics since the 1700s !!!!!

He never gives his precise precise calculations, so that his errors are clearly visible and demonstrable !!

When in the equations we lose a crucial term, we then find that the energy is no longer conserved and that anything is possible, as I have already shown on incorrect numerical simulations because they are too coarse.

DreamWheel wrote:

RealWheel wrote:
There is a very simple and overunit device! It's the tuning fork. By vibrating the device and placing it vertically on an electronic scale, we can see a variation in weight from 38 to 44 grams, between the resting state and the vibratory state.


is a magnificent example of measurement error, especially on electronic scales, which vibrate, can give anything in electronics, without the actual weight changing !!!
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by RealWheel » 26/03/12, 12:48

dedeleco wrote:
DreamWheel returns with its physical inconsistencies, with monumental calculation errors on equations constantly checked in physics since the 1700s !!!!!

He never gives his precise precise calculations, so that his errors are clearly visible and demonstrable !!

When in the equations we lose a crucial term, we then find that the energy is no longer conserved and that anything is possible, as I have already shown on incorrect numerical simulations because they are too coarse.


It is by no means a numerical simulation at the current stage. A simple demonstration by the formulas of Newtonian mechanics. But three mathematicians are working on the digitization of the operation of the engine, including two American and one English. What interests in this engine, it is its continuously unstable state or the total violation of the 3rd law of Newton (law preserved locally between two adjacent parts).
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by dedeleco » 26/03/12, 14:32

the global violation of Newton's 3rd law (law kept locally between two adjacent rooms)

fundamental incompatibility between these two ends of sentences !!!
So an absurdity of calculations, with basic inconsistencies in the starting hypotheses and calculations !!

If we can see and read these very detailed calculations, it will be quickly visible !!!

It reminds me, on liquid crystals, almost 40 years ago, 30 pages of heavy and long calculations, false with certainty, without doing them, just by looking at the beginning and the end, inconsistent with each other !!
The interested, proud, left to find his mistake a good month after !!!
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