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by Flytox » 13/10/15, 18:57

About the good health / reproduction relationship. Certain trees hard hit by a fire and having "survived", throw their last strength into the battle by starting to multiply their pine trees, seeds etc in a last "standstill", then die. Certainly there must be "equivalent" examples in the animal world.
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by Christophe » 14/10/15, 01:22

Flytox wrote:throw their last strength into the battle by starting to multiply their pine trees, seeds etc. in a last "standstill", then die.


Can the Praying Mantis male be Flytox? : Mrgreen:
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by Exnihiloest » 14/10/15, 13:24

Obamot wrote:... Like what there was still progress

Obviously: nuclear tests in the atmosphere have brought much more radioactivity to the world than the accidents of power plants which followed.
The man at least understood the danger and was intelligent enough to stop the atmospheric nuclear tests.
So "progress", yes (there is no absolute progress). CQFD
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by Exnihiloest » 14/10/15, 13:49

Obamot wrote:...
You can totally have cancer at the last stage and procreate, good then! What would that prove? ....

At the "last stage", not sure, but let's admit, yes.
But there was talk of "proliferation". Your remark is only relevant after putting it back in context, which gives:
"A majority of men can quite possibly have late stage cancer and procreate, well then! That would prove what"

The terminal phase still putting an end to procreation which in the men in question could have taken place after their terminal phase if they had survived, there will be less "proliferation" in the case of sick procreators than in the case of good health.
Consequently, to say that proliferation is a sign of good health seems to me much less questionable than the fact of saying without proving it, that the animals would be sick in a significant proportion.
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by Exnihiloest » 14/10/15, 14:00

Flytox wrote:About the good health / reproduction relationship. Certain trees hard hit by a fire and having "survived", throw their last strength into the battle by starting to multiply their pine trees, seeds etc in a last "standstill", then die.

Same in humans: desire to procreate in a context of possible fatal danger, as I read.

Certainly there must be "equivalent" examples in the animal world.

The case is not proven in the fauna around Chernobyl (no behavioral click possible because the radioactivity is insidious, unlike a fire), and on the other hand there have been several generations of animals since the accident.
Your hypothesis is highly speculative.
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by Obamot » 14/10/15, 18:35

At all, the "ambiguity" comes from the fact that you do not answer the questions, or next to (usually not):

- We should define what "healthy enough", what are your criteria? (For the moment you do not give objective medical or scientific criteria, you suppose that because they proliferate they would be in "good health", I believe to have demonstrated with my example that it was not, and not necessary to develop more, thank you… Except to give something scientifically objective. Give links, etc) as I still specified "Can a litter produce more than one without degeneration (and so on)?"

At the very least, you need to produce a reliable source on which you base your assertions.

Whatever the cause, awakened dormant genes or preferential survival of individuals with the genes allowing the best immunity [...] the natural selection reveals them.


- Do you have sources to confirm this? (Always affirmations but no formal answer)

- Still no publication in "clear" of the source of your diagram showing the peaks. Nor who funded the study?

In short, for the moment consider that it is not possible to answer you : Cheesy: as to conclude ...
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by Exnihiloest » 17/10/15, 16:20

Obamot wrote:... - We should define what "sufficiently healthy" means, what are your criteria? ", ...

Absolutely, when you have defined what you mean by "sick" (what are your criteria and what are the supporting facts that animals would be sick?), Since that is what my answer.
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by Obamot » 17/10/15, 19:40

Hello,

You only have prior art with regard to your peremptory affirmations.
Precisely points raised which did not obtain answer (except reasoning on bottom of worthless syllogism.)
For the rest (ie nothing), you continue your manipulations with oratorical skill, but it stops there!

Bonsoir.
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by Exnihiloest » 18/10/15, 10:24

Obamot wrote:...
Precisely points raised which did not obtain response ...

"He is no worse deaf than the one who does not want to hear" they say.
I believe that there is worse, it is those who cannot understand.
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by Obamot » 18/10/15, 10:39

Don't get tired, on your "no answers"and other oratorical virtuosities, I answered you here >>>

Have a good day ! : Mrgreen:
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