The "veggie pride".

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Re: The "veggie pride".




by sen-no-sen » 13/10/16, 19:59

Janic wrote:Would you prefer that they hide themselves, shut themselves up in silence so as not to disturb an established order?


If precisely "the established order" allows this kind of demonstration, it is good that its last do not worry many people! : Lol:
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by Janic » 14/10/16, 07:38

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Would you prefer that they hide themselves, shut themselves up in silence so as not to disturb an established order?

If precisely "the established order" allows this kind of demonstration, it is good that its last do not worry many people!
it is to forget a little quickly that before this established order (in pseudo democracy by many aspects) tolerates this kind of demonstration, it was often necessary to do it in opposition to this order in question which first defends the institutions in place, which are more customs, traditions, than real equity or justice.
It was also under the pressure of these minorities that this order finally recognized that animals were not furniture (as before) but sensitive, sentient beings. It is still under their pressure that the slaughterhouses will be better monitored to avoid mistreatment (as if the killing were not already one). It is also under the pressure of these minorities that most governments, European in any case, have stopped forcing the population to have pus and its adjuvants injected with vaccines, given the deleterious effects and consequences becoming in charge of the state. It was still under this pressure that BIO was finally recognized and accepted as a valid agricultural method in the same way as agrochemistry and its toxic treatments *. Without active minorities we would still be in the Stone Age.

* on this subject a documentary passed yesterday on the 5, concerning the culture of rice in India and the control of this agrochemistry on the agricultural population and the struggle of minorities inciting to return to rustic varieties not just requiring all these chemicals from Bayer and company.
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by sen-no-sen » 14/10/16, 09:36

Your remark is symptomatic and goes entirely in the direction of the desired goal: you confuse the growing popular consciousness on the animal condition, and the recovery of the movement by the economic-political sphere.
Exactly the same thing happened with ecology in the 70s: it was swallowed up by "useful idiots" in order to make it anecdotal and soluble in the commercial system.

Without active minorities we would still be in the Stone Age.

Do some research on his "active minorities" ....
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by Obamot » 14/10/16, 10:13

"ces" and not "proven"

... and assimilate Janic "To the [totalitarian] market system" (indirectly and implicitly) it's really not very nice, he's anything but that (and in terms of "critical figuration" you're much better than that)
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by Janic » 14/10/16, 11:05

Without active minorities we would still be in the Stone Age.

Do some research on his "active minorities" ....

I am part of some of these minorities, but I am hardly active on the political or media plan, considering that the example and the lived near its entourage are worth better than speeches and hubbub. However, this does not advance the schmilblick very quickly and therefore, even more or less recovered by "active" minorities, it is better than nothing.
Not being vegan, I could not say which minorities it is, but you must know it, so inform us. 8)
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by sen-no-sen » 14/10/16, 11:12

Obamot wrote:"ces" and not "proven"

... and assimilate Janic "To the [totalitarian] market system" (indirectly and implicitly) it's really not very nice, he's anything but that (and in terms of "critical figuration" you're much better than that)



We all live within the system in question and we all participate in one way or another *, so I'm not aiming Janic but everyone, me first.
My remark is based on a historical approach that is most verifiable, and the mechanism is inexorably reproduced.



* This also includes "dissidents", "anti-systems" and terrorists on the other side.
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by Janic » 14/10/16, 11:27

We all live within the system in question and we all participate in it in one way or another *, so I'm not targeting Janic but everyone, me first.
My remark is based on a historical approach that is most verifiable, and the mechanism is inexorably reproduced.
I agree with that! What bothers me, here as I have pointed out on other subjects, is this mixture which is made when this totality transforms into an omelet, the consumable eggs and the rotten eggs (even if I am not for consumption of consumable eggs or not, obviously)
* This also includes "dissidents", "anti-systems" and terrorists on the other side.
This is where I criticize this mixture without distinction.
I am also awaiting the names of the suggested working minorities.
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by Ahmed » 14/10/16, 11:34

In a protest movement there are many sincere people and, alongside, there are opportunists who "surf" on the rising wave, but these two very distinct categories (and opposed from the point of view of consciousness) ultimately play exactly the right thing. same objective role.
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by sen-no-sen » 14/10/16, 12:12

Janic wrote:
* This also includes "dissidents", "anti-systems" and terrorists on the other side.
This is where I criticize this mixture without distinction.
I am also awaiting the names of the suggested working minorities.



I mentioned two names at the beginning of the topic, for the rest it is completely useless to seek to quote people in particular but to understand the social phenomena which result from such maneuvers.
The question is rather about the ideologies behind his thought patterns only on the people who carry them loud and clear, often very momentarily ... : roll:
And it seems to me to have cited all this further upstream ...
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by Janic » 14/10/16, 13:24

I mentioned two names at the beginning of the topic, for the rest it is completely useless to seek to quote people in particular but to understand the social phenomena which result from such maneuvers.
The question is more about the ideologies behind his thought patterns than the people who carry them loud and clear, often very momentarily ...
And it seems to me to have cited all this further upstream ...

On proofreading I found only that!
This process is not new, it was the same with feminist, ethnic, homosexual currents, "urban youth", hipsters, etc ... individuation allows us to offer a range of limitless consumer products!
Except that we find a model of contestation, some are unrelated to the others, even if some are confusing, because it is possible to be VG and not favorable to the groups mentioned because this creates gender confusion.
Now that this actually leads to consumption, it is inevitable unless everyone cultivates his garden, makes his own clothes, housing, etc ... which is very exceptional and even there it remains consumption.
However, and this is important, I did not intervene on what the whole society experiences, but on the philosophy of veganism which seems to me to be unrelated to what you wrote (you do not quote any writing founding of this type of movement, showing a simple market intention or even a simple ideological recovery or everything here below is of this type as soon as a change of life is proposed.)

Ahmed
In a protest movement there are many sincere people and, alongside, there are opportunists who "surf" on the rising wave, but these two very distinct categories (and opposed from the point of view of consciousness) ultimately play exactly the right thing. same objective role.
Of course we will always find opportunists. But it is confusing form and substance! The opportunists take only the forms and is easily detected by the sincere people that you indicate. However, it is like fashion, the superficial end up getting bored and move on to something else that will enhance them; just wait until they get bored! "the dogs bark, but the caravan passes! "
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