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Re: The surprising drugs of homeopathy

by Obamot » 17/09/16, 21:30

zizizentrop wrote:Health Cacanada offers ban health claims that are not scientifically proven. [/ size]

Ah well, that's cool, since homeopathy has scientifically demonstrated its effectiveness (in the studies above), so it's all good.
Note this is only a "proposition"so nothing scientific about it for the moment : Mrgreen:
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zizizentrop wrote:"The secret of homeopathy lies in its placebo effect".

You play [mode ”big boob"YN] where haven't you read the study?
Swiss-German scientists tell you that they have differentiated the placebo effect from measurable efficiency on human cells. Your argument therefore falls hello ...

The rest I do not comment since I do not want to comment on the ["village idiot" mode ON] but where are you going to look for all this : Shock: : Mrgreen:

In two words you have nothing zizi (or it's tiny) : Cheesy: Basta.
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Re: The surprising drugs of homeopathy

by Obamot » 17/09/16, 22:20

Janic wrote:
zizizentrop the patient to bang his head against the walls wrote:The doctor studied the value for money of homeopathy: “The medical cost of homeopathy is extremely low. "If a child has a fever and needs emergency medical assistance in the United States, it will cost at least $ 600, while with $ 20, you can buy a package of homeopathic pills at the supermarket."
There we perceive this denigration of which I spoke previously and which is explained later in the article. [...] And it is on this that his opponents argue! It's pathetic would say ... Obamot and me too! [...]
all the more so since it is archi false since the Swiss scientific government study proved that not only homeopathy "matcha" very well at 90% while it was 15% cheaper than allo
And 20 Swiss doctors have successfully found it ...

... suddenly I hesitate between pathetic syndrome VS senile dementia & alzheimer's?
... I believe that only homeopathy could calm him down : Wink:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPCFJ02Q-LY

izentrop wrote:Health Canada proposes [...]

yes, yes I confirm, these homeopathic caregivers are well aware Canada... : Idea: : Wink: Ca_na_da ... you should take a look!
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Re: The surprising drugs of homeopathy

by pedrodelavega » 17/09/16, 23:12

Janic wrote:Homeo is a fact, a reality recognized and shared all over the world by professionals who practice it, it is in itself a practical proof of its reality
Just as astrology is a "fact", a "reality" recognized and shared all over the world by professionals who practice it but that doesn't prove it...

Janic wrote:
It is the responsibility of those who advance the existence of something to prove it because "we cannot prove the non-existence of a phenomenon".
This is a particular point of view because it is no more possible to prove that this phenomenon does not exist !
That is what I am saying
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Re: The surprising drugs of homeopathy

by izentrop » 17/09/16, 23:49

A "therapeutic dead end" according to a researcher

It all starts with a study unveiled in March 2015, conducted by Professor Paul Glasziou for Bond University, in Australia. This study, which covers 68 diseases and nearly 176 tests of homeopathic treatments, does not detail: no treatment for these 68 diseases works better than a placebo. A conclusion which in itself is not surprising, as it joins those of previous studies.

However, interest in this study has been revived for a few days following a post by Professor Glasziou in the British Medical Journal, where he denounces in particular the potential dangers of homeopathy. Among his remarks, one of them drew particular attention: "I was surprised by the number of diseases in which homeopathy was tested, such as osteoarthritis, skin or oral inflammation after chemotherapy, or still HIV infection. What shocked me the most was that organizations were promoting homeopathy for infectious diseases in Africa like AIDS or malaria. "
http://vivredemain.fr/homeopathie-ineff ... tralienne/
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Re: The surprising drugs of homeopathy

by pedrodelavega » 17/09/16, 23:57

Obamot wrote:It should also be noted, to those who write masked [under pseudo pedrodelavéga as much as zizi_zentrop] that their rascal arguments reveal that the study published in the Lancet predates the 2012-2013 study, it is therefore completely obsolete at present, it's just a little aside to reveal his troll techniques (which are not "beneficial").

Which makes, relatively to this, the study scientifically proving the effectiveness of homeopathy commissioned by the Swiss government quite valid and founded.
In the event that we adhere to your theory of obsolescence of studies, the conclusion of the meta-analysis made public at the beginning of March 2015 and carried out by the most important organization dedicated to research in Australia (NHMRC) definitively buries the already widely controversial Swiss study (see links above).
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Re: The surprising drugs of homeopathy

by Obamot » 18/09/16, 02:44

as long as you talk about hypothesis, I feel that in your next post, yours will be to tell us that "Switzerland does not exist and that this study never took place and that there is not the slightest doctor in Switzerland" mwouahahaha .... stop there I am bent over backwards ... : Mrgreen:
Surely they are Australian astrologers : Arrowd: : Arrowd: : Arrowd:
pedrodelavega wrote:In the same way astrology is a "fact", a "reality" recognized and shared all over the world

(we can trust you in the summit of debility do you reach the world) hihihi, Canadians, Australians, don't throw it away ... :D

The Zen thing too wrote:no treatment for these 68 diseases works better than blahblahblah.

[...] the potential dangers of blahblahblah [...] What shocked me the most was that blahblahblah

You're writing big now, but a bit haphazard, despite the size of the characters, it's still the same sales pitch, unwrapped without any savvy ...
What is your goal in this forum?
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Here more argument (there was none before but there ..... it's the blackout) : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
So hilarious to observe these gestures which mean nothing, bottomless or understanding, unpacked without baggage or training, the great emptiness.
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Re: The surprising drugs of homeopathy

by izentrop » 18/09/16, 19:59

“I often receive parents at the end of the day who bring their feverish child. It is moist, it has almost 40º of temperature. Half an hour after taking five granules of Belladonna 15 CH, his temperature has dropped and he no longer has any symptoms. A phone call the next morning confirms to me that he is cured. "

It's like giving him sugar. : Shock:
It's not like a lie by omission : Evil:

It would not be by chance the doliprane that the mother gave which would have had an effect?

Homeopathy "could cut health spending by a third" And if the granules were sold at their fair price (candy), it would be even more advantageous : Mrgreen:

Sure, it's a business that works.

Obamot, is that your livelihood in defending this illusion with as much ardor?
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Re: The surprising drugs of homeopathy

by Janic » 18/09/16, 20:45

janic wrote: The homeo is a fact, a reality recognized and shared all over the world by professionals who practice it, it is in itself a practical proof of its reality
Just as astrology is a "fact", a "reality" recognized and shared all over the world by professionals who practice it, but that does not prove it ...
Except that the professionals in question are doctors, therefore officially recognized as competent by the State by their diploma.
Unless you have specific criteria on the competence or incompetence of doctors around the world? In this case it is necessary to denounce these medics to the orders of doctors and the services of the State! but you may end up with defamation lawsuits!
Janic wrote:
It is the responsibility of whoever puts forward the existence of something to provide proof of it because "one cannot prove the non-existence of a phenomenon".
This is a particular point of view because it is no more possible to prove that this phenomenon does not exist!
That is what I am saying
This is also what I say: not being able to prove that a phenomenon does not exist, simply shows that researchers do not have the adequate tools to provide the necessary proof; it's called ignorance simply. This is what happened for centuries before keys to understanding were found. So you can rightly say currently Evidence according to specific criteria is not recognized by some, but recognized by others, at the same level of competence.
But practically users don't care since, apart from the endless discussions, they try this therapy and find themselves well and continue or are not satisfied and stop as with anything else for that matter.

It's like giving him sugar.
This ignorance, coupled with incompetence, is pathetic ... hold on once again!
It's not like a lie by omission.
The question is to know on which side is the lie and there not by omission!
It would not be by chance the doliprane that the mother gave which would have had an effect?
Of course and even diluted to 30hp for more efficiency! It's ridiculous!
Homeopathy "could reduce health costs by a third" And if the granules were sold at a fair price (sweets), it would be even more advantageous
There it borders on stupidity.
Sure, it's a business that works
Much less than big pharma
Obamot, is that your livelihood in defending this illusion with as much ardor?
The same question may be asked to you: it is your livelihood to defend with as much ardor, the "fumisterie" of the chemical poisons of the pharmaceutical industry
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Re: The surprising drugs of homeopathy

by pedrodelavega » 18/09/16, 21:11

Janic wrote:This is also what I say: not being able to prove that a phenomenon does not exist, simply shows that researchers do not have the adequate tools to provide the necessary proof;
This is not what means: "It is impossible to demonstrate the inexistence of a phenomenon", it is a universal rule established in scientific logic. For example, that's what all conspiracy theorists of all kinds play on.
http://www.zetetique.fr/index.php/dossi ... ie-complot
And that is why it is incumbent on the one who presents something to prove it, otherwise it is the door open to all beliefs.

Janic wrote:This is what happened for centuries before keys to understanding were found.
understanding keys ??? : Shock: To date, none of the theories put forward by homeopathy have been validated.

Janic wrote:So you can rightly say currently Evidence according to specific criteria is not recognized by some, but recognized by others, at the same level of competence.
Do not put in the same basket medical research (which creates and validates knowledge) and general medicine (which practices this knowledge).
http://www.pseudo-medecines.org/2016/09 ... elles.html
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Re: The surprising drugs of homeopathy

by chatelot16 » 18/09/16, 21:57

homeopathy collides with scientific logic: their granules are so diluted that there is a risk of not finding a single molecule of the basic product there

I am in favor of homeopathy because I benefited from it ... my parent was favorable to homeopathy and all the small childhood illnesses were treated by homeopathy ... I never took antibiotics before an appendix at the age of the bac ... and I think that this way of avoiding antibiotics is a reason of good health that I appreciate

but we must not be blindly limited to homeopathy, which cannot effectively cure appendicitis ... well in my case it was worse, the first crisis was just before the bac ... so good luck antibiotic to pass and get the bac quietly ... then peritonitis which returns a few months later ... in this case homeopathy can do nothing ... real surgery is needed

is homeopathy effective or a placebo? I don't know! but even if it’s only from the plèbo it can be useful in certain cases ... a doctor can tell any parent that the child's illness will cure on its own and that it is best to do kidney do? in many cases it is easier to prescribe homeopatic pills and everyone is happy

I cannot therefore conclude anything ... was homeopathy effective in my childhood, or was it only a means of avoiding the antibiotics which weaken those who abuse it?
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