Palm oil: the sad renunciation of Hulot

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by sen-no-sen » 18/06/18, 19:21

izentrop wrote: Do not throw stones at them, because with this outlet, it will make fewer refugees at the gates of Europe.


Fewer economic migrants but more climate refugees, with the loss of biodiversity as a bonus ...
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by izentrop » 18/06/18, 19:29

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izentrop wrote: Do not throw stones at them, because with this outlet, it will make fewer refugees at the gates of Europe.
Fewer economic migrants but more climate refugees, with the loss of biodiversity as a bonus ...
As they are trees, there is no impact on the RC. On the other hand, they bear the brunt of the industrial era of affluent countries, which is not ready to reverse itself.
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by sen-no-sen » 18/06/18, 20:15

izentrop wrote:As they are trees, there is no impact on the RC. On the other hand, they bear the brunt of the industrial era of affluent countries, which is not ready to reverse itself.



Doubly, on the one hand because the final balance of agrofuels is frankly doubtful, on the other because the addition of palm oil in diesel allows to keep the hydrocarbon sector afloat, pushing further the development of alternative solutions.
We are therefore in a perpetuation of C02 emissions.
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by Ahmed » 18/06/18, 21:07

The shift in food self-sufficiency from a peasant society to cash crops means above all a growing grip of economics, which is not necessarily synonymous with well-being (unless one considers only the numbers), but rather of proletarianization. As the payroll is paid at least, this is clearly not the solution (very hypothetical better wages would also strengthen the global causes of destruction of natural wealth): the lion's share goes to investors, which is the purpose of the operation.
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by dede2002 » 18/06/18, 21:18

It is a way of making poor people, those who live without money with their food crops cannot be qualified as "poor", but when they become wage earners with insufficient wages they become it, and they no longer have nor their own. land or their time ...
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by izentrop » 18/06/18, 21:20

Yes, it is doubtful, but in the meantime there are new investments being made in Africa, and the states now have more protective laws than in the time of colonization or they took the land for no consideration.
Will there be emergences, many doubts. On the other hand, we see that people are much more cultivated than at the time of the colonies
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by Ahmed » 18/06/18, 21:44

It is clear that "emergence" has successfully colonized the psyches of these better educated (and uncultivated) people in the Western model. However these memes will not lead to what they promise, because other more "developed" countries need Africa's resources, just like in the past and this model is therefore in no way universal ...
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by izentrop » 19/06/18, 08:49

Ahmed wrote:It's clear that ...
Western? Decidedly I still have trouble deciphering your writings. It is important that African democracies be strengthened to finally be able to grab a piece of the pie.
Will the younger generations have enough determinations and critical sense to finally come out of the years of fratricidal wars that have only benefited Westerners and move forward?

In any case, this story of palm oil in the Congo gives activity to a place where there was more. It's up to them not to be bloused as before.
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by dede2002 » 19/06/18, 11:15

The Congo is the African country richest in mineral resources, more than South Africa, it is besides the reason of these fratricidal wars!

It is also one of the largest primary forest that remains, destroying it to make fuel will not "enrich" the country, since it cannot even manage with its precious metal mines ...
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by Ahmed » 19/06/18, 12:11

Yes, it's the paradox apparent African countries: it is those which are best endowed with natural resources who are also those whose populations are the most exposed to poverty and war, extractivism obliges. Therefore, an economic "emergence" in any sector whatsoever will not be of any help in solving a problem whose nature essentially relates to international (+ local!) Politics: being a field of economic stakes is decidedly not a sinecure ...
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