Palm oil: the sad renunciation of Hulot

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Re: palm oil: the sad renunciation of Hulot




by izentrop » 23/05/18, 16:23

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izentrop wrote:We did not want it in nutella, we will not have it in our tanks.
We are not stopping progress and we are not going to prevent emerging countries from taking their heads out of the water either. : Mrgreen: : Cheesy:

It's a lobbyist reasoning that you hold there ...
No, it's just that the boycott of the housewife has no weight on the world economy.

And you cannot prevent the average bornean from accessing the same comfort as the inhabitants of wealthy countries.

In China, they destroyed a lot and now the emerging middle class has ecological aspirations, that's the order of things. : Wink:

Their leaders are now taking more action than we against climate change.
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by Ahmed » 23/05/18, 16:28

Janic, you write:
Nevertheless, this production is not made for the use of the populations themselves, but to make business for the sole advantage of foreign countries that make fun of the future of these people and their land.

Absolutely! The well-being of the populations only serves as a cover-up for lucrative export productions, for the benefit of those for whom they work *.

* In the case of small peasant properties, these crops are grown at the expense of food practices.
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by izentrop » 23/05/18, 16:56

Ahmed wrote:Janic, you write:
Nevertheless, this production is not made for the use of the populations themselves, but to make business for the sole advantage of foreign countries that make fun of the future of these people and their land.

Absolutely! The well-being of the populations only serves as a cover-up for lucrative export productions, for the benefit of those for whom they work *.
There are still 40% of small independent producers that must be supported, but it is a double-edged game.
the european parliament has addressed the problem. I don't know what came out of it? https://theconversation.com/pour-une-hu ... ions-75653
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by Ahmed » 23/05/18, 17:21

Izentrop, you write:
There are still 40% of small independent producers that must be supported, but it is a double-edged game.

I take this into account: "In the case of small peasant properties, these crops are grown at the expense of food practices."
They give up what assures them a food autonomy to enter the game of money, game in which they do not make any weight compared to those who control the market (I do not judge them, I note the side illusory and dangerous of the process).
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by sen-no-sen » 23/05/18, 19:46

izentrop wrote:And you cannot prevent the average bornean from accessing the same comfort as the inhabitants of wealthy countries.


"Everything that goes one way necessarily goes the other"(thermodynamic proverb).
A few decades of comfort very unevenly distributed against an irreversible destruction of ecosystem, is the game worth the candle? : roll:
The concentration of wealth should logically lead to an increase in the population in the cities (in particular via migratory flows) to the detriment of the countryside and therefore of subsistence farming (as noted Ahmed).
Of course, its countries will be the first to be affected by global warming ...


In China, they destroyed a lot and now the emerging middle class has ecological aspirations, that's the order of things.


This is logical since the notion of ecology only makes sense when environmental destruction is felt.
It's the same thing regarding physical activity, we have never talked so much about sport when there has never been so many cases of obesity ...it is the principle of consubstantiality, refer to the proverb cited above to understand ...
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by Ahmed » 23/05/18, 19:55

Yes, the idea of ​​"protecting nature" is only a sign of its destruction, a way of making it spectacularly tolerable.
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by sen-no-sen » 23/05/18, 21:03

Ahmed wrote:Yes, the idea of ​​"protecting nature" is only a sign of its destruction, a way of making it spectacularly tolerable.

The system is fundamentally Faustian, it is always a loan for a return ... and the debt is the interest rate much higher than the benefits acquired.
In such a system, two major trends confront each other: the ultra-liberals who highlight the spectacular advances (socio-economic, technological) made possible by liberalism, the latter voluntarily put aside a large part of the ecological issues to which he proposes to respond only with technical solutions (which only increases the constraints).
On the other, anti-capitalists who deny the advances specific to the economic system and who only put forward its disappointments, which consolidates the beliefs of the defenders of liberalism ...
The ones are only the reactions of the others (and vice versa) which allows in the absence of any objective analysis to allow the system to continue in the worst ...
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by Ahmed » 23/05/18, 22:54

I believe that what confirms the ultra-liberal theses the most is the lack of lucidity of the altercapitalists who basically support the same operating model, while being gullible enough to claim to expunge it from its alleged "drifts". ".
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by izentrop » 24/05/18, 13:46

What is an altercapitalist?
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Re: Palm oil: the sad renunciation of Hulot




by Christophe » 24/05/18, 14:17

Easy: a neo-hippie? : Mrgreen:
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