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by sen-no-sen » 12/09/12, 20:12

chatelot16 wrote:Whether these new manufacturing is done at a former car manufacturer, or by new business is an unimportant detail: one thing is certain it is necessary to go back to manufacture and stop wasting the means we have left with tertiary and other useless activity


Yes, I agree with you, but it will have to seriously reverse the steam in this case.

Nowadays, a large number of young people are oriented towards virtual professions (I am not thinking of video games, but rather of "the economic-abstract": insurance, banking, trading, economic-legal service etc ... ) who no longer really stick with reality (less than 700 farmers in France against 000 in the 2000s!).

The problem is that from a societal point of view, its jobs are symbols of success, unlike the more honorable trades of the crafts and the work of the earth.
Basic research is also in crisis ...
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by Ahmed » 12/09/12, 20:54

Yes, I understand your point of view: remove "from the tertiary sector and unnecessary activities", or rather non-value-producing ...
Effectively, "to manufacture the same thing cheaper thanks to the cheaper labor on the other side of the world, is only a story that will not last! to count the top is absurd."

However, history can not be written in reverse (if we can say!), The inevitable decrease in profitability makes it impossible to resort to previous solutions, abandoned precisely for these reasons.
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by Obamot » 12/09/12, 22:22

Unless we tolerate to earn less?

Unless we value the work "differently", than around the current criteria?

Ok, with " si » : Cheesy:
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by Ahmed » 13/09/12, 21:38

Unless we tolerate to earn less?

A generalized reduction in wages will reduce the wage bill and therefore the quantity of goods purchased => decrease in the rate of profit!
For the prevailing system to function properly from this point of view, it would be necessary for productivity to grow perpetually. at the same time than employment and the wage bill: the second condition is logically incompatible with the first.
Unless we value the work "differently" than around the current criteria?

Work is a concept intimately correlated to a system where it is related to value, money and social relations as they exist today ...
Changing "work" therefore does not make sense; it is only possible that the work is no longer one and that it therefore takes a new name, but that would mean that the context of the work has disappeared ... and that the question of valuation would henceforth be irrelevant! 8)

So it's not an "if" problem!
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by chatelot16 » 28/09/12, 16:02

back to the real question peugeot

they have just announced a new way to repel French customers! announcement of a new economic model: the 301 which will not be sold in France ... as to show us that it wants to scam us with models too complicated

it reminds me of the history of renault who did not want to sell logan in France

with this kind of behavior even more French will decide to buy toyota ... even if it were favorable to the French car ... but to be taken for c .. it can be vexing

if peugeot does not sell his 301 in France the customer will be lost!

of course, making simple cars will fill the factory less than making too complicated ... but it will be better than doing nothing at all by pushing customers away!

making good on a simple car factory fill less, and the future will make something else ... rest govern corectement to evolve ... whether Peugeot manufactures anything or Peugeot that reduces its activity and another factory that is created to do something else is just a detail

if we created plants to manufacture all the wind turbine and all the solar, photovoltaic and thermal panels that we need the closure of a Peugeot plant would be an unimportant detail
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