The earth has surpassed its credit ...

[Ahmed]

Sen-no-sen, you know that I agree on the substance with you, however I would formulate it a little differently in a simple concern for precision.

Many people in good faith think that waste is a kind of drift or unwelcome excess to a system roughly effective and that it would suffice to become aware of it to "clean up" the situation.

On the contrary, waste is consubstantial with this economic system and where it does not appear with obviousness only reveals an imperfection of the system.

The reason for this is that the commodity always has two inseparable aspects: the use value that the buyer seeks and the exchange value which is the sole objective of the producer / seller.

The economic interest therefore requires that the use value be as small as possible without however preventing the transaction; It is also important that this value is very limited in time, since more goods can be sold.

This is not a moral problem, but a powerful and particularly perverse mechanism; There is no doubt that simple corrections would not change anything in this state of affairs (their only effect would be a consolidation of the system), only a radical change in the ends of social relations involved in work and exchanges could have this effect.

[sen-no-sen]

There is no doubt that simple corrections would not change anything in this state of affairs (their only effect would be a consolidation of the system), only a radical change in the ends of social relations involved in work and exchanges could have this effect.

Indeed Ahmed, simple "correctives" as you say will not change the situation at all, at worst they will postpone the final deadline by a few years ... and the harder will be the fall.
The problem now is to know what kinds of radical changes will put society on the right path ... I'm pessimistic.

[Ahmed]

... simple "correctives" as you say will not change the situation, at worst they will postpone the final deadline by a few years.

I must specify, on this point, that in my opinion the correctives cannot improve anything whatsoever since their role is to legitimize the permanence of a harmful system by offering an illusory possibility of "escaping" from a certain logic. .
For example, "fair" trade * allows consumers who are critical of ordinary trade to clear their conscience and no longer speak out against "inequitable" trade which can therefore prosper in peace!
In the same way, the PEFC ** or FSI labels are only there to reassure and allow to consume serenely ...

* Even paid more properly, this system forces farmers to devote their best land and energy to export crops to the detriment of food production.

** These labels guarantee (+ or -) a minimum of environmental precautions, but basically have the same objective as the entire wood industry and are just a marketing sex mask ...

[sen-no-sen]

For example, "fair" trade * allows consumers who are critical of ordinary trade to clear their conscience and no longer speak out against "inequitable" trade which can therefore prosper in peace!
In the same way, the PEFC ** or FSI labels are only there to reassure and allow to consume serenely ...

Absolutely agree, but we risk being treated as pout!
I admit that imagined a truly virtuous system is virtuosity!

[Ahmed]

Absolutely agree, but we risk being treated as pout!

Lucidity obviously has some drawbacks that the state of "happy fool" does not present ...
Forgive the expression, it is for short and it is totally devoid of malice!
Nietzsche was well aware of the alternative and advocated for those who could be satisfied with an ordinary happiness to follow the behavior of the greatest number ...

I admit that imagining a truly virtuous system is virtuosity!

Really virtuous, no doubt, but the best possible is only a matter of collective imagination ...
But, hush! I said a big word! Imagination! Do we have any idea of ​​saying such things? Michu! Blaspheme the totalitarian merchant system to whom we owe everything! What impropriety!

[sen-no-sen]

The alternatives to the STM (totalitarian merchant system) will be very difficult to implement, because it is clear that this economic monster irresistibly attracts every human being to him, like a moth to an electric lamp.
In the long run, I think that the solution will come from the problem itself ... by self-destruction ... it remains to be seen how much environmental and human damage will be carried with it!

[perplex]

In the long run, I think that the solution will come from the problem itself ... by self-destruction ... it remains to be seen how much environmental and human damage will be carried with it!

Let's hope we do not get there, but in the face of a major disaster of the economic / energetic / ecological type, the past emotion makes way for the obvious, in principle.

Which would suggest that it takes one to change!
The worst thing is that this idea becomes viral.

"let's do nothing, let's wait for the disaster"


A ++

[sen-no-sen]

Which would suggest that it takes one to change!
The worst thing is that this idea becomes viral.

A ++

This is unfortunate, but it is clear that most of the existing measures in terms of prevention, are due to accidents, evidence of lack of wisdom surrounding.

[Ahmed]

This is unfortunate, but it is clear that most of the existing measures in prevention, are due to accidents, evidence of lack of wisdom surrounding.

The disaster is already there, our inability to discern it in the fog lavished by the STM can hardly encourage optimism ...
Yet solutions are possible, but so much in opposition to the (fatal) slope that we follow, that a visible catastrophe would only lead to misunderstanding and irrelevant reflexes.

I believe that we should not expect anything from a sort of "revelation" in contact with a crisis situation, but that we will not be able to avoid real awareness based on in-depth reflection, reflection collective and voluntary.

[Leo Maximus]

On corruption, the latest Transparency.org report:

http://www.transparence-france.org/e_up ... e_2010.pdf