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by Leo Maximus » 13/09/09, 10:43

Obamot wrote:Le cancer: the body develops cancer because it needs it ...

Do not go to hospitals to say that to parents of children with cancer, you risk defenestration ... : Lol:
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by Leo Maximus » 13/09/09, 11:25

Obamot wrote:The increase in water level is not so much due to the melting of the polar ice caps. It has been brilliantly described above that the level would remain stable.

The level will not go up any more? Phew ... here I am reassured.

However the paintings in the Cosquer cave date from a time when the sea level was 110 to 120 meters lower than today. Currently the entrance to the cave is 37 meters away below from sea level.

We have other more recent examples with some lighthouses at sea that were once accessible on foot. And I'm not talking about the islands that see their areas shrinking from year to year.

So why does the level not go up any more?
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by Obamot » 13/09/09, 12:31

Well, there you go, as you just said. Because it is already very high ...

No, where I rebel it is all this catastrophism: global warming, terrorism, the economic crisis, the flu pandemic ... all of this is great hype that takes us away from real questions:
- the diagnosis of the causes of all these problems.
- the search for a solution.
- taking action (implementing solutions and as much as possible: eliminating causes).

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Obamot wrote:Le cancer: the body develops cancer because it needs it ...

Do not go to hospitals to say that to parents of children with cancer, you risk defenestration ... : Lol:

This is another question which you are doing a cookie cutter reasoning that brings absolutely nothing, while I cite my sources.

What are your arguments, sorry if I don't see them?
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by Former Oceano » 13/09/09, 15:06

Please note that part of the polar ice caps are placed on land and therefore behave like glaciers. It is these ice that will contribute to the rise in ocean levels.

For floating ice, they will not contribute to the increase.

Then to say that humanity has no effect on global warming is nonsense because we inject phenomenal amounts of CO2 and CH4 of fossil origin into the atmosphere. However, these gases which were extracted from the atmosphere and carbon cycles by being trapped in gas pockets (methane aka natural gas) or in fossil fuels (oils, bitumens, coal, peat).

So these contributions to the atmosphere - for which we are responsible because it is not the moles that are going to draw coal or dig oil wells - contribute to increasing the greenhouse effect of the atmosphere therefore lead to its warming. To say otherwise is absurd.

In addition, the weather data prove it (hottest summers in the last 10 years), to say that it is because of the sun whereas it has been exceptionally calm for several years ...

In short, stop veiling your face!

We exert a constraint on the environment without knowing that it is elastic to this system or when there will be a break and rebalance in a new state which will not necessarily be favorable to us.
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by Obamot » 13/09/09, 15:30

former oceanic wrote:We exert a constraint on the environment without knowing that it is elastic to this system or when there will be a break and rebalance in a new state which will not necessarily be favorable to us.

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by Cuicui » 13/09/09, 18:56

Obamot wrote:What I mean is that our nutritional deficiencies are otherwise a greater cause of cancer than the degradation of the immediate environment (which by the way deserves, in fact, to be dealt with urgently, including the impoverishment of soils ...) Wake up!

Another cause of cancer that is rarely talked about: the emotional factor (unconscious or conscious mental suffering that cannot be expressed enough, and which lead to chronic physical tensions which can degenerate into cancer).
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by Obamot » 13/09/09, 20:41

For my part, this vision of things is quite clear. Little-talked-about issue against which doctors are very helpless : Wink: morality you have to do good in life and try to be relaxed, happy and live in good understanding with others and nature ... it helps, for sure.
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by delnoram » 13/09/09, 22:06

former oceanic wrote:So these contributions in the atmosphere contribute to increase the greenhouse effect of the atmosphere therefore lead to its warming. To say otherwise is absurd.


Put it this way it's taking a "handy" shortcut, in fact greenhouse gases cause less cooling by trapping a larger portion of IRs.
To pretend that the sun has nothing to do with it is absurd, we do not heat the water in a pan just by putting a cap on it. : Shock: : Arrowd:

former oceanic wrote:In addition, the weather data prove it (hottest summers in the last 10 years), to say that it is because of the sun whereas it has been exceptionally calm for several years ...


A hot summer depends on many factors from which the sun cannot be excluded, but taken only through other events such as cloud cover for example.

Global warming remains something long and does not seem to me to be in direct correlation with hot summers, especially since that of 2008 is not one of them, as is the rest of the year.

The dead calm has lasted for about 2 years and follows the "descent" of Schwabe cycle n ° 23 but in return, 4 of the 5 highest of these cycles have taken place in the last 50 years.

Now, only the future will tell us what will happen to cycle 24, if it has only started.
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by Obamot » 14/09/09, 10:39

What we don't talk about at all is our very carnivorous civilization.

However, it takes a huge amount of food for livestock and the animals give off a lot of metane, a gas that would not be harmless in the greenhouse effect ...

So by eating less meat, we would also reduce warming ...
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by Woodcutter » 14/09/09, 14:10

Obamot wrote:[...] All the more so as what would be more worrying, it would be the interruption of the "conveyor belt" of the Gulf stream ... which if that happened could cause a sudden ice age, settling on less than five years according to some, and spanning more than 100 years without being sure of a return to normal afterwards ... [...]
No, an "ice age" would affect the entire planet while the Gulf Stream only affects the coasts of Western Europe ...

On the other hand, it will change the European climate towards something colder, a bit like British Columbia ... Is it bad in the middle of global warming?
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