Should we be afraid of the world to come?

[Christophe]

The uberization of the world (and the bnbsation, blablacarization ... etc etc ...) will especially change the world of political and financial exploitation in which we have been for millennia!

Who doesn't care? Certainly not the people!
Do we live in a democracy or a fricocracy ??

That's the question !!

[Exnihiloest]

The uberization of the world (and the bnbsation, blablacarization ... etc etc ...) will especially change the world of political and financial exploitation in which we have been for millennia!

Who doesn't care? Certainly not the people!
Do we live in a democracy or a fricocracy ??

That's the question !!

Of course if we fight it instead of recovering it, that's what will happen.
Uber, carpooling, classified ads, rental sites ... are popular. It is the people who use them.

[Obamot]

Hey, what about your little pants? And the title of your thread, it is not to do in “the paranoid hook” perhaps?

Anti manipulation moderation

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Correction: even if it is unintentional, the "manipulation"comes more surely from the one who has withdrawn the quote above missing (and which then could wrongly assume that it would have taken place), since here is the original content:

Hey, what about your little pants? And the title of your thread is not to do in " paranoid hook " perhaps ?

Should we be afraid of the world to come?

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I really do not see or what could be of the "manipulation"in there (we have licensed manipulators - almost officially - who are only exceptionally punished) or in which the chosen text could be reprehensible (in itself) or suggest some"just cause"for being removed / moderated?

As for the illustration withdrawn, it cannot be a question of "manipulation", since it appears in the text (in the sense of" joke "in the section" Humor! >>> )

And this constitutes an extremely bad signal to TRUE MANIPULATORS who are encouraged in their low "works"
I have said it many times and the facts afterwards have regularly proven the validity of these warnings, without real success ...!

[Exnihiloest]

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Full on the question, this article from Numerama the day before yesterday:
http://www.numerama.com/business/174715 ... mains.html
I discover that Andrew McAfee writes almost exactly what I think, it's practical for me!

Some key points in quotes:
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- The first age of machines, we have lived in it for 240 years. It was the age when we overcame the limitations of our muscles, with the steam engine, with electricity [...]
Now, if I speak of a second machine age, it is because I think that we are going beyond the limits of our minds, of our mental powers, as dramatically as with our muscles. .]

- technological progress is very rapid. And the rest of our society is not changing as quickly as technology.
[advancing the rest of society faster] is very difficult. In particular, because people are happy with what they have [hum ... there I put a flat ???] and do not want to accelerate or change. Overcoming this inertia is a very complex process. The first thing to do, therefore, is to successfully change conversations. It's pretty amazing how changing a state of mind can make a difference.

- Voltaire said that work saved us from three great evils: boredom, vice and need.
Of these three, universal basic income only saves us from need.
(and the basic income ^ has just been refused by the Swiss by a large majority!)

- Today, if your main consideration is to make people work, you can only find Uber's action positive: they give young people with no diplomas the opportunity to work and earn money. only with a car and a smartphone.

- There are two forces that are re-shaping the economy in the world today: globalization and technology. And these two phenomena are frightening for the same people [...]
Today, in the United States, Donald Trump is so popular because he says that globalization has been terrible for the United States, because of China, because of Mexico ... he is completely missing the mark , totally wrong. [...]
What we need to do is show the benefits of these phenomena while identifying the challenges and problems they bring. We can then find solutions to these problems.
Instead of starting with "oh my God the robots are going to take my job", let's start by looking at the world that technology has allowed us to create: it is fantastic but comes with its share of problems. It's up to us to solve them.
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Let us not forget that ecology is a science, and that all science, like all knowledge, gives rise to practical applications: technology. Techno is neutral. It is neither negative nor positive, but effective, and to use it positively is to obtain positive efficiency, much better than wishful thinking, there we can progress.

[Ahmed]

It is curious that so many minds, some of them eminent, are worried about the idleness (sic) linked to the regression of work.
In his spiritual testament, Keynes, who saw the reduction in working time as much more imminent and more equitable than what is observed (he still had a fundamentally idealistic vision of things), was frightened of this possibility and wondered anxiously what could be keep men busy. Question that would have seemed completely meaningless for the contemporaries of Pericles or Cicero and even for those of the Western Middle Ages for whom the addiction to work was still far from being acquired. For all these people, work is a painful and degrading constraint: the famous text ofAristotle shows that well and how receptive he would have been to the idea of ​​machines replacing the punishment of slaves ...
It would be futile to refuse the machine in a society sufficiently harmonious for all to put it to work for the benefit of the community, instead of it being for a purpose as mediocre as the accumulation of abstract value. The Luddis who broke the first weaving looms had no intrinsic hostility towards these novelties: simply, they were fully aware that these machines were not intended to reduce their sentence, but to better enslave them to interests owners of the machines. When, much later, Ford Adopt Taylorism, it is clearly to disqualify the skills of skilled workers and be able to use cheap and interchangeable labor at will.
Uberization participates in this deskilling which, under the pretext of "democratization", sees individuals bring into the market economy parts of what was until then part of their private sphere and this, with the aim of making survival. necessary by the growing difficulty of finding to sell on the ordinary labor market.

Today, in the United States, Donald Trump is so popular because he says that globalization has been terrible for the United States, because of China, because of Mexico… he is completely missing the mark , totally wrong.

As a politician, he can only be in his role by banking on what the majority of his voters think, so he is right from this point of view.

[Janic]

What we need to do is show the benefits of these phenomena while identifying the challenges and problems they bring. We can then find solutions to these problems.
Instead of starting with “oh my God the robots are going to take my job”, let's start by looking at the world that technology has allowed us to create: it is fantastic but comes with its share of problems. It's up to us to solve them.

a fine example of materialistic optimism! Nuclear shows us that this technology is not about to be solved (we pass the baby to the next generation). All the technologies we have invented have their downside and few are able to measure their extent in the long term.
See the problem of oysters (topical) which will perhaps disappear "thanks" to the technologies used to produce them with genetically modified varieties, these garbage cans from the sea filter the funds and absorb and store the industrial and chemical waste of our productions , etc ... just because technological humanity only sees and wants to see ITS interests and that is what loses it and will probably cause its demise.

[Obamot]

- The first age of machines, we have lived in it for 240 years. It was the age when we overcame the limitations of our muscles, with the steam engine, with electricity [...]
Now, if I speak of a second machine age, it is because I think that we are going beyond the limits of our minds, of our mental powers, as dramatically as with our muscles. .]

- technological progress is very rapid. And the rest of our society is not changing as quickly as technology.
[advancing the rest of society faster] is very difficult. In particular, because people are happy with what they have [...] and do not want to speed up or change. Overcoming this inertia is a very complex process. The first thing to do, therefore, is to successfully change conversations. It's pretty amazing how changing a state of mind can make a difference.

- Voltaire said that work saved us from three great evils: boredom, vice and need.
Of these three, universal basic income only saves us from need.
(and the basic income ^ has just been refused by the Swiss by a large majority!)

- Today, if your main consideration is to make people work, you can only find Uber's action positive: they give young people with no diplomas the opportunity to work and earn money. only with a car and a smartphone.

- There are two forces that are re-shaping the economy in the world today: globalization and technology. And these two phenomena are frightening for the same people [...]
Today, in the United States, Donald Trump is so popular because he says that globalization has been terrible for the United States, because of China, because of Mexico ... he is completely missing the mark , totally wrong. [...]

What we need to do is show the benefits of these phenomena while identifying the challenges and problems they bring. We can then find solutions to these problems.
Instead of starting with "oh my God the robots are going to take my job", let's start by looking at the world that technology has allowed us to create: it is fantastic but comes with its share of problems. It's up to us to solve them.
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Let us not forget that ecology is a science, and that all science, like all knowledge, gives rise to practical applications: technology. Techno is neutral. It is neither negative nor positive, but effective, and to use it positively is to obtain positive efficiency, much better than wishful thinking, there we can progress.

a fine example of materialistic optimism! Nuclear shows us that this technology is not about to be solved (we pass the baby to the next generation). All the technologies we have invented have their downside and few are able to measure their extent in the long term.
See the problem of oysters (topical) which will perhaps disappear "thanks" to the technologies used to produce them with genetically modified varieties, these garbage cans from the sea filter the funds and absorb and store the industrial and chemical waste of our productions , etc ... just because technological humanity only sees and wants to see ITS interests and that is what loses it and will probably cause its demise.

Yes Janic, and I think we have had a little time to think about it since .... er ... Voltaire!

All this is the very type of paradigm based on nostalgic beliefs of the 70s (by all those who "stood firm" in the face of "May 68") those who straddled the post-industrial era and our present time (since we are not out of it). And what was not perceptible then is clearly visible today. Such a disorganized jumble that mixes everything up, stuffed with syllogisms of all kinds, to such an extent that, in contrast to claiming to be innovative - and since this defends outdated notions - has become reactionary.

In short, the biggest (I will not peel everything)

[advancing the rest of society faster] is very difficult. In particular, because people are happy with what they have [...] and do not want to speed up or change

[...] - Voltaire said that work saved us from three great evils: boredom, vice and need.
Of these three, universal basic income only saves us from need.
(and the basic income has just been refused by the Swiss by a large majority!)

This is no longer where the stakes lie, this discourse is completely outdated. Just see how deeply the younger generations are in these "new technologies", on the contrary, they are eager to speed up and change. And I would add that since their brains have been partially lobotomized, they have become extremely docile and malleable (except when they go wild ...) there has a relative fad. The problem is that the thinking is not ripe, to know what one would do with it. This is why the RBI / RU was refused in vote, because people do not have more brains, they no longer even know where their interest is, what advantage they would have - if the need arose - of having access to an income without having to beg for it ... no sense of the imagination! On the contrary, one can very well explain why we arrived there, like for example by having regularly sanctioned the personal initiatives in many fields. The RBI / RU would allow to have much more ... .! it would be well to free the populations of totally useless and arbitrary constraints for a ller towards more than RESPONSIBILITY, that yes, would be a good engine to free the spirits (versus "science reclaimed by consumerism ": there is no photo)

we are going beyond the limits of our minds, our mental powers, as dramatically as with our muscles [...]

LOL, but it's exactly the same, it's just a matter of ego. And before going beyond the limits of the mind and mental powers, the first thing to "muscle" would be the brain. Because having the naivety to believe that the simple "conversation" - not preceded by deep reflections - could change things, it is to put the cart before the horse. And it doesn't take a big brain to realize that.

As Ahmed shows with his shining example questioning "the uberization of society rightly", it is that once "Uber" has taken the whole market in hand, he can set his conditions! And what will happen to the "uberized" taxi drivers? Will they - to get by - do the 3x8h and one of the drivers sleep in the trunk while the other colleague is driving? Change is precisely resisting that today, change is prudence, faced with:
- GMOs,
- State debt,
- violation of the private sphere,
- mental conditioning desired by the media,
- political manipulations (such as that which seeks to lead Europe to a fratricidal war against Russia),
- relocations;
- the transformation of the economy into a gigantic casino with supposed gains on fictitious values ​​...!
etc.

It is not to be "has been" to be careful and to think about all this, and has absolutely nothing to do with denying scientific advances (fallacy and deception, since after the time of discoveries, we still need to know what we are going to make it ....).

It is not resistance, it is prevention. It is to be careful. If we don't understand it, we haven't thought about it enough ...!

[Ahmed]

The uberization of society is a self-exploitation * which discreetly reintegrates the class struggle in an unprecedented schizophrenic form, which mobilizes each person's own absolute added value ** in his "social reproduction", in a sense that not foreseen Marxism.

* It's not just a play on words!
** From each of the victims of the increase in relative surplus value, in other words, the increase in productivity ...