What Nicolas Hulot wrong! Personal opinion

[Christophe]

I remind you that there is a topic dedicated to the 2007 Pact
https://www.econologie.com/forums/le-pacte-e ... t2558.html

Here we are supposed to talk about the "politics" of Hulot ...

[bham]

Vouii, but how do you motivate people? Especially since you are against premiums?

By taxing fossil fuels!

And that's how it comes back to the discussion that we had about the taxation of oil.
And even that N.Hulot think the same. N / A!

nananère
Good I see that Christine outbid!
What do you mean by "you are against premiums"? I'm not against it and Christophe either I think, I just think that they generate an increase in the prices of award-winning equipment. Knowing that the State will reimburse 50%, the prices set by manufacturers, representatives, intermediaries have been revised upwards little. Well, that in itself makes it possible to pecuniarily interest the resellers, so they move their buttocks to refourgue renewable energy. And on the other hand, the individual is less careful, knowing that he will recover 50%. But that does not prevent you from having to advance the money and when you have to buy a boiler at the price of a car, that is to say in the 15000 2 €, you look at it twice, even if the credit is not too expensive in this regard. moment.
So this bonus system is good because it encourages individuals to equip themselves with the thought that the state gives them a gift.
But the bonuses must be paid. So you're going to tell me that taxing fuels is no problem. But be aware that by granting bonuses, you indirectly raise the price of equipment so the premiums become higher each year, so the state pays + +. In fact it's more complex than that, since it gives work to artisans and businesses, it makes VAT in the coffers of the state. But you realize that it is a vicious circle, the premiums causing a rise in prices which leads to higher premiums, ..... etc. It would be good for the state to calm the game.
In this respect, it is frightening to see the number of resellers of all kinds, including boilers wood, which have flourished on the market by offering the boiler Austrian, German, Czech, .... etc. It is good that there is money to be done. You will tell me that this is the goal in this society. But the spiral of prices has too much tendency to panic.
Last anecdote and I feel that I'm still gone for a novel: a neighbor had 90 vacuum tubes installed on his roof for extra heating and a buffer tank of 300 liters. Brand Viessmann, cost: 15000 €! keeping in mind that for this price the solar covers only 50% of your needs and that the vacuum material is not eternal. Thereupon, the State pays him 7500 €.
If I make the same installation by buying the stuff on the internet, on By .... for example, I am about 7500 € max with the manpower of the heating engineer, which allows me to get the bonus. Conclusion, I advance only 7500 € instead of 15000 and I save 7500 / 2, 3750 € to the state. I point out that the cost of labor is not the subject of the tax credit, but I am simplifying for the example. So it is not necessary to overtax to be able to pay premiums, among other things, just control the market prices. The principle is the same as that of the hard discount distribution: if you lower the prices, the state will collect as much VAT see more because there will be more sales, more renewable energy gear, dealers will earn less every time but as much on the volume. All it takes is a political will.
But I would answer on the taxation of oil on the subject where we spoke about it: https://www.econologie.com/forums/lisez-le-p ... t2209.html
I just take the time to refine my answer.

[bham]

The problem is that he is not a candidate. And, forgive my pessimism, I'm not sure he meet 500 signatures.

I will not venture to this kind of prognosis ...
In a "confidential" poll commissioned by the government, he collects more voting intentions than the politicians who occupy center stage ... and Bové is not far behind.
There are more and more committees that have been formed since May 29 (referendum on the European "constitution"). It emerges that public opinion rejects policies which are already very little appreciated by public opinion. Indeed, we are offered what to face the problems of international ultra-liberalism and ecology ... NOTHING !!! ...

Christine, go see:
http://www.csa-tmo.fr/dataset/data2006/opi20060830c.pdf
and that :
http://www.ifop.com/europe/docs/candidaturehulot.pdf
it surprises me and we can always doubt polls but it's like that.

[Christophe]

If Hulot is more than 5% and he continues to ignore us with respect to the development of the pantone and ben I would not appreciate too much ...

That's why we could do some lobbying, right?

It would therefore be interesting for all motivated econologists to register forum of the pact (when it will be open) and to talk a little about our case:
http://www.pacte-ecologique-2007.org/forum/

[zac]

hello christophe zé lezautres

it is your link (maintenance until Monday) it must be managed by civil servants so if they lead to ecologic decisions, between the time to make the decision and the application it will happen 2 or 3 generations
The blue ball may be depopulated
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[Cuicui]

If Hulot is more than 5% and he continues to ignore us with respect to the development of the pantone and ben I would not appreciate too much ...
That's why we could do some lobbying, right?
It would therefore be interesting for all motivated econologists to register forum of the pact (when it will be open) and to talk a little about our case:
http://www.pacte-ecologique-2007.org/forum/

Also think about the z-machine please

[bham]

If Hulot is more than 5% and he continues to ignore us with respect to the development of the pantone and ben I would not appreciate too much ... :

Jealous go! Christophe President, Chris ........ !!!!! It seems that it earns money to be a candidate, just find 500 signatures.

That's why we could do some lobbying, right?
It would therefore be interesting for all motivated econologists to register forum of the pact (when it will be open) and to talk a little about our case:
http://www.pacte-ecologique-2007.org/forum/

Good idea, ecology is the respect of others and therefore also his listening.

[delnoram]

Jealous go! Christophe President, Chris ........ !!!!! It seems that it earns money to be a candidate, just find 500 signatures.

Yes, .... if you exceed a certain percentage
Otherwise it is rather the opposite.

[Christophe]

I do not know if it's jealousy ... but I know that I feel a lot of frustration because of the hypocrisy of research institutes, media and ecology associations never received any support!

On the contrary, I feel like I have been ... put on the sidelines professionally speaking (and to speak politely)! (finally it's the crisis at what seems ...)

[iota]

Hi everybody,

I tell myself that if hulot starts talking about pantone, energies that come out of nowhere and so on, he will pass for a "hulotberlu"
Why ? because a lot of people in France completely ignore the existence of all that.
If we do not walk a tad on the internet we go elsewhere than the site of the redoubt or mappy, we may not fall on these alternatives there.

We should do some advertising, a lot of advertising, and once it's back, even my grandmother is interested in the pantone, so there yes hulot can easily talk about it.

Well, what am I saying?