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by chatelot16 » 18/01/18, 16:02

it seems to me that I have heard that the former expropriated landowner was a landowner to recover his land if he wanted to ... but I hope he managed to use the money from the expropriation to do something else, and that they have been so successful that they do not want to come back!

I am afraid that those who have missed the use of the expropriation money are in the m .... and that we do not give them back for free their old land
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 18/01/18, 16:08

I confess I do not know the laws in this area that I discover with this story.

I learned that in Larzac the illegal occupiers had been given the land in the end: cool as a system to have a free land without counting the building permit cheaply ...

I would like a cash investigation on this subject that I discover ....
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by Grelinette » 18/01/18, 16:11

In my opinion, the most objective reason for the abandonment decision of this airport project given by the 1er Minister is (it is not exactly the text of the statement but the idea): given the level of opposition and conflict on both sides has lasted for decades, this project would have further exacerbated the situation and crystallize conflicts.

That said, I have also retained some interesting comments made by others: "From now on, citizens give themselves the right and the power to oppose state projects and to block them when they seem absurd. , dangerous or tainted with privileges or decisions imposed by occult powers ... ".

I also liked the following analysis: "France is characterized by, on the one hand, a kind of aristocratic power still present in the genes of our political, financial and economic decision-makers who seek to impose decisions according to their own interests. , on the other, a kind of jacquerie contemporary allowing the population to mobilize and express its opposition. From now on, this situation must be taken into account when making important government decisions. "To be continued ...
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 18/01/18, 16:24

Everything depends on "crystallizations" and their recurrences.

Notre Dame des Landes and its seniority are quite exceptional.

Will we find so many zadists so determined for other causes?
Unless there are "professional zadists"?

Moreover opposite (government side) we will probably be careful not to let such a situation develop again.

This said to sit idly by in front of ecologically destructive projects is not the right solution either

It remains to be seen how the current soufflé will deflate and how the accounts will be settled WITHIN the zadistes in which I include everyone namely the legitimate (agris owners of the corner) and illegitimate.

I am not saying that ALL the illegitimate are.
With time, if viable and useful companies in the sector have developed on the site why not?

But an individual or a group of individuals arrogates land and a farm cheaply on the back of the occupation there I tick
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by Leo Maximus » 18/01/18, 18:14

No worries about NDDL lands! These hundreds of preserved hectares constitute an exceptional agricultural space which will become an exceptional organic label: the "Bio NDDL"! The advertisement is already done ... : Lol:

Biocoop, who anticipated the abandonment of the project was already on the spot: https://www.biocoop.fr/actualites-bio/B ... Des-Landes

And it's confirmed today by the Minister of Agriculture: http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-eco/2018/0 ... ective.php
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by Leo Maximus » 18/01/18, 18:21

Grelinette wrote:... "France is characterized by, on the one hand, a kind of aristocratic power still present in the genes of our political, financial and economic decision-makers who seek to impose decisions according to their own interests ...

An elegant way to define a mafia system :)
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by Ahmed » 18/01/18, 20:04

@ Nico These questions are bothering: the lands sold by the former farmers are now owned by the state, which can establish a preferential right of retrocession in favor of the former owners, if they wish to buy them back.

I agree with Sen-no-sen that the physical fundamentals are in contradiction with the projections of the future * of the air traffic established by the economists, but I doubt that this is at the origin of this final renunciation. This project was very much related to the person of Ayrault, which is less relevant today, on the other hand it is opportune for the government to "let go of the ballast" on such a media subject to better promote other more fundamental projects. Credibility Hulot a minimum is essential for that and should have been part of the "deal" for a while: there is little risk of being wrong in asserting that the recent outcome is outright com '...

Still about com ', it's a safe bet that the government will be intransigent with the zadistes, now that the latter are deprived of the legitimacy of their visible opposition. The less spectacular part is the systemic challenge and the promotion of an alternative way of life, that they will not support it very long, because it is in frontal contradiction with the world that they propose to us: testifies it the a priori criminalization of the zadists in the media that prepare the ground for the muscular intervention. Operation without glory, because without risks, but so much spectacular!

* Regarding air traffic, I read somewhere that only 5% of the world's population already had access to this mode of transportation: do you have reliable sources on this?
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by sen-no-sen » 18/01/18, 21:06

Ahmed wrote:(...) This project was very much related to the person of Ayrault, which is less relevant today, on the other hand it is opportune for the government to "let go of the ballast" on such a media subject to better promote other more fundamental projects. Credibility Hulot a minimum is essential for that and should have been part of the "deal" for a while: there is little risk of being wrong in asserting that the recent outcome is outright com '...


In fact, the NDDL project was defended by the former prime minister JM Ayrault, let's say some politico-economic arrangements to the keys.
The studies done by aeronautical experts was relatively clear about the project's impertinence, and I do not think the Zadists played a fundamental role in dropping the project.
If the government Valls had been still in place (!), it would certainly have been otherwise.
Expanding the existing airport and building up the TGV network will cost less and will have little impact on economic revenues, so the government's decision is the most convenient thing to do.

As you note very well, the method Hulot the releasing of ballast goes completely in the direction of the strategy of "consensualization" (sorry for the neologism) of the president Macron.
Public opinion focuses too easily are attention on projects that crystallize rancor.Ever the art of conjurer euh .... politician (and the current occupant of the Elysee is brilliant in this area!) Is to lower the tension on secondary subjects to perform a great sleight of hand to everyone's beard.
The left had made a violent outcry with the eco-tax, while the current government has gone without problem rising fuels without causing social conflict, the method of smooth sliding works and it should be used in several areas soon.

The zadistes must not however cry out victory too quickly, the highly strategic projects like CIGEO will have to make their demands. Globally have not say that the Zadists are only condensed on spectacular projects, which actively participates in the show politics of our time.

For the part of the population taking the plane:
So we are 7 billion. In these days of strike at Air France, it is interesting to note that in 2010, the International Airport Council has identified 5 billions of air passengers. At the rate of annual growth of these two magnitudes (+ 1,1% per annum for the world population, + 6,3% for the number of passengers), it is in 2017 that we will count as many humans as people flying. engine, 7,5 billion.

There are two aspects to this interesting climb. On the one hand, not everyone takes the plane while some people take the plane several times each year. By cross-checking various sources, we can estimate that 10% of the world's population crosses the sky each year.

http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2011/11/01/7-milliards-en-avion_1596821_3232.html
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by chatelot16 » 18/01/18, 21:21

we must correct! it is not 10% of the population that crosses the sky each year ... it is rather that the number of crosses corresond to 10% of the population ... and as those who cross the sky do it often they are a part of the population much smaller than 10%
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by sen-no-sen » 18/01/18, 21:30

chatelot16 wrote:we must correct! it is not 10% of the population that crosses the sky each year ... it is rather that the number of crosses corresond to 10% of the population ... and as those who cross the sky do it often they are a part of the population much smaller than 10%


Of course, because it is very complex to define who takes the plane, it is therefore necessary to cross-reference data that can be linked in particular to per capita income, but overall the principle always remains the same: it is an active minority that causes all its "disappointments".
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