Hulot, Minister at 100 Liters on time?

[Ahmed]

If it seems unclear to me that humans are disappearing in the short term, the same is not true of industrial society.

Because of the extreme division of labor, mechanization and thus the importance of trade, a collapse of the industrial society will involve a rather drastic demographic collapse.

[sen-no-sen]

If it seems unclear to me that humans are disappearing in the short term, the same is not true of industrial society.

Because of the extreme division of labor, mechanization and thus the importance of trade, a collapse of the industrial society will involve a rather drastic demographic collapse.

Yes of course, but humanity has seen others and there are fortunately many societies (as in the Amazonian forest on the border of Peru:https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/monde/amerique-sud/un-drone-filme-une-tribu-inconnue-d-amazonie_2032279.html) that would not be impacted by such a collapse), on the contrary it would increase their chances of survival!
Similarly, the economic collapse - as it does not lead to a widespread nuclear clash (1) - would be highly beneficial for the preservation of the biosphere.



(1) Case of very unlikely figure given the doctrines of contemporary war.

[izentrop]

Ahmed and Sen-no-sen are too pessimistic.
You forget the progress of knowledge that allows us to find the right keys of the exit door, but it can not be everyone in his corner.

[sen-no-sen]

Ahmed and Sen-no-sen are too pessimistic.
You forget the progress of knowledge that allows us to find the right keys of the exit door, but it can not be everyone in his corner.

In the Hindo-Buddhist tradition it is taught that to reach Awakening one must remove onion peels to reach the center, the onion symbolizing the mind and its innumerable affects, the center corresponding to the essential.
The same is true of ecological problems, it is not by constantly adding new knowledge and technologies that we will solve the disaster in the making.
On the contrary, it is by decontaminating mental models acquired for more than a century of merciless economism and technology.
The exit door is known for a long time, we will invent nothing more in the future!
We can better determine the exact date of our disappearance!

[izentrop]

In the Hindo-Buddhist tradition it is taught that to reach Awakening one must remove onion peels to reach the center, the onion symbolizing the mind and its innumerable affects, the center corresponding to the essential.

Stop comparing to religions. There is to take and leave. It is not permaculture that will save us, but biotechnology. I do not have time to develop ...

I go to the march for the local climate, I just regret that it is recovered by "rebellious France".

[Ahmed]

You mean you go to the local walk for the climate ...

[sen-no-sen]

Stop comparing to religions. There is to take and leave. It is not permaculture that will save us, but biotechnology. I do not have time to develop ...

There is more to be left to do in terms of biotechnology, especially the biotech aspect applied to terrorism!
Not sure that it saves us ...
As far as the Hindo-Boushist philosophies are concerned, there has been for some years now an interesting dialogue between scientists and meditators, whether you like it or not.
The question of enlightenment and altered states of consciousness are issues that largely transcend ideological cleavages.

[izentrop]

You mean you go to the local walk for the climate ...

Oh yes, I put the cart before the horse. Well there were still a hundred marches in Amiens, for more than 100 000 inhabitants, it remains modest anyway.

There is more to be left to do in terms of biotechnology, especially the biotech aspect applied to terrorism!

I thought in terms of evolution of plants to make them pass the course of the RC, the mass selection is too slow for that.

For some years now there has been an interesting dialogue between scientists and meditators, whether you like it or not.

There are more urgent and serious areas than that.

[Did67]

Philosophically speaking, I don't think that a "technique", whatever it is, whatever its interest, "solves" a problem. A technique is a way to get a result. Not an end. Not an ethic. With any technique, some men will do the best. And others, the worst! Some will try to "improve" existence. Theirs. That of others ... Others to dominate, earn a lot of money, be the first ...

With current means and knowledge, we could be happy, fair, etc ... It would be enough to organize accordingly!

But that this is not so simple, different threads of discussion here show it clearly. When some are for, others are against. Bio, wind, nuclear, photovoltaic, pellets, etc ... And it's normal, nothing is never perfect in this world, nothing is devoid of defects. From then on, some clench in an idyllic vision where they see only the advantages and hammer them to be right. The others that the defects, that they assemble to bother the first ones, to show them that they exist since they are right!

Philosophically speaking, I think it is men who need to be changed. Not the -isms, which are only the consequences of the psyches of men. Capitalism / Communism have we mentioned somewhere. Some forget that we are not playing on a level playing field when it comes to "chasing our share of the spoils". And that in this game, some stuff themselves and others die. The other than perfect men do not need property and that we can share everything ... And forget that in each of us there is a trickster who, if he can do less, and if others do. do in his place, want to share everything ...

I do not have a solution to this dilemma. Taking some to knock out others with is not ethically feasible.

[Ahmed]

If problems have arisen as a result of technological deployment, it is also because reality is far too complicated to be properly mastered. Therefore, adaptation of plants (at least those deemed "useful"!) Would be insufficient, especially since allowing the part of the population which is the most worthy to survive. to be exonerated from remedying the causes of CC ...