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Re: The impossibility of growth.




by izentrop » 28/10/17, 01:35

Ahmed wrote:I watched the video and I found no trace of robot ... only very classic material used wisely in a particular context ...
I pointed out the technical evolution ...
The robot will come later, I am convinced (this is an area that I like). The management of grass is very greedy labor and it is not the most exciting job.

It has a lot of well thought out tools to improve productivity, efficiency and the living soil.
The spreader, the tool for the collection of pdt under mulch, the rolls of paper prepared for the seedlings it is super ...

I retain his technique of incorporating the canopy in the first cm of the ground to spend the winter and improve warming in the spring. As I am in Picardy, it is important for me. This year, I removed the cover too early, creeping buttercups took advantage and to tear them off, it was galley.
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Re: The impossibility of growth.




by Ahmed » 29/10/17, 12:41

The last message of the blog of François Roddier precisely deals with the collapse of civilizations ...
http://www.francois-roddier.fr/
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Re: The impossibility of growth.




by izentrop » 29/10/17, 18:32

Ahmed wrote:The last message of the blog of François Roddier precisely deals with the collapse of civilizations ...
http://www.francois-roddier.fr/
Not convinced, he writes: "physicists think that life has developed on Earth to dissipate energy there" It is not "the" but a young controversial https://dailygeekshow.com/physicien-ide ... e-science/
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Re: The impossibility of growth.




by Ahmed » 29/10/17, 18:35

Except that it is technological advances and science that allow an increased dissipation of energy through economism ...
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Re: The impossibility of growth.




by izentrop » 29/10/17, 19:12

No, it allows process optimization and therefore higher production with less energy consumption.
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Re: The impossibility of growth.




by Ahmed » 29/10/17, 19:19

Of course! But the growing production of goods quickly cancels these gains and then causes greater consumption * ...
This initial gain could only be taken into account for a fixed overall production, which is not the case, by definition.

* This is called the "rebound" effect when it applies to consumers at the end of the chain.
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Re: The impossibility of growth.




by izentrop » 30/10/17, 00:07

Greater consumption as long as there is resource to exploit, but when it will rely more on the renewable, technology needs to make a big leap forward.
Unfortunately the research budget, despite a small extension in 2018, remains poor in France. https://www.lesechos.fr/idees-debats/sc ... 121175.php

The collapse of the Roman Empire and the Island of Pacques mentioned by Roddier, followed the path of beliefs. Today knowledge is much more important and it is the only way to go.
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Re: The impossibility of growth.




by Ahmed » 30/10/17, 13:01

For the moment, the "energy transition" and the outlines of a "circular" economy are based on an increased use of extremely conventional resources and are hardly more than a showcase hiding the actual global functioning which, for its part, relies heavily on coal; in fact, everything happens as if the new aspects are added to what exists to try to generate some new profits ...
The ambiguity of these solutions is less due to their nature (not questionable) than to the context in which they are implemented and which, perverting their purpose, ensure never to achieve the objectives which are "sold" to us ...

You write:
Today, knowledge is much more important and it is the only way to go.

Except that this knowledge is based on an ideology and beliefs just as significant as those of ancient civilizations. They are so internalized to the model that they have become transparent, but it is they who are "in the process" ...
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Re: The impossibility of growth.




by izentrop » 30/10/17, 14:47

For coal, it is because of the nuclear shutdown in Germany, but it will not last.
In China, with the rise of nuclear power, it will also drop in the future.
Ahmed wrote:Except that this knowledge is based on an ideology and beliefs just as significant as those of ancient civilizations. They are so internalized to the model that they have become transparent, but it is they who are "in the process" ...
I was thinking about scientific discoveries in all areas, nothing to do with belief.
At last you understood me, did not you? : Wink:
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Re: The impossibility of growth.




by Ahmed » 30/10/17, 21:08

Finally, you understood me, right? : Wink:

Of course! What I'm saying is that scientific knowledge is expressed in a context within which irrational determinisms lead the dance ...
In Western Europe, environmentalist concerns and destructive concerns * mean that traditional energy production structures will certainly "green up". This will not be the case further east, as in Poland, where I find it hard to see a conversion of coal plants ...
In any case, heavy industries are almost all delocalized in Asia, so it does not matter anymore, since we do not see them anymore! :D
In China, since we are talking about it, pollution levels are reaching such heights that the government is obliged to make an effort on this side if it wants to be able to continue to poison its population in a "reasonable" way ... : roll:
What will really reduce the consumption of coal in this great country, it will be the end of this crazy idea: to believe that to apply recipes which do not work any more in the West can assure them a lasting triumph (by means of factors which temporarily restore the profit ).

* Environment and profits, same fight! : Wink:
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