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by sen-no-sen » 03/03/12, 19:51

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So again, don't go after this guy. It is the dominant thought of the agricultural world. To wonder how we got there ... How to change that? Who endorses this? etc ...


And not only from the agricultural world! :?

How to change that? By stopping this race for productivity which is slowly killing agriculture and the environment.
There were 2 million farmers in 1970 ... and more than 650000 at present, as less than 3% of the population fed the rest of the world is that there is a problem.
Who endorses this: the financial markets, speculative madness, the CAP, agribusiness lobbies ...
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by Ahmed » 03/03/12, 20:06

when less than 3% of the population feeds the rest of the world, there is a problem

Yes, but 3% apparent, in reality much more, for the greater benefit of all those who live (more or less) at their expense ...
And a mystifying triumph of the productivist system, not that productive, after all, but one that infinitely multiplies exchanges and reduces autonomy.
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by sen-no-sen » 03/03/12, 20:14

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when less than 3% of the population feeds the rest of the world, there is a problem

Yes, but 3% apparent, in reality much more, for the greater benefit of all those who live (more or less) at their expense ...
And a mystifying triumph of the productivist system, not that productive, after all, but one that infinitely multiplies exchanges and reduces autonomy.


Yes but the others are not in contact with the earth, just intermediaries ($$$$).
Anyway at the train where things are going, the agriculture of tomorrow will be the business only of vehicles guided by GPS and traders! :x

The terroir will end up at the bottom of the drawers! : Mrgreen:
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by bidouille23 » 04/03/12, 00:55

good evening,

the guided gps tractor already exists :|.


if you are going to look at who are the publication directors of "le haute loire paysanne"
you will see that the president and the vice president are respectively president fnsea and fdsea, that they are thus feet and fists linked with the economic europe.

If you take the time to watch "a local solution for a global problem" you will also see that even in russia there is a colcosis where the production is entirely organic, and that its harvests are equivalent or even superior to that of its so-called traditional neighbors. , the only difference is that it consumes a lot less diesel, no chemical fertilizers, so in the end it spends a lot less money to make food that respects man and nature.

We also learn that the chair of faculty of micro biology of the soil no longer exists, the so-called farmer of now do not even know that the way in which it produces comes down to using the earth as an inert substrate, as much to make above ground has this level (it's even less polluting, I think, than killing the earth and making it bleed, the red clay that goes up by force of plowing).
In short, they learn to feed the plants but no longer know that it is the earth which must feed the plants.
If we add the fact that a plant essentially needs air to live app 80% air and 20% water and nutrient (this is what we do in hydroponics or aeroponics) need to plow and fertilizer is no longer vital.

All the armada of machines, tractor and other come from the manufacturer of war machine, manufacturer of tanks, the fertilizers come mainly from the recycling of the remains of bombs which one could not used any more (nitrate), it should have used them well.

This is where we are, we are using warrior technology to produce shit that kills, for economic purposes.

If you watched the France 3 report on water last night (Friday), in addition to destroying the earth, we are destroying the water, and we at the same time, ask your town hall what are the rates of pesticide, nitrate, and aluminum present in your water (the mayors are obliged to post its results), there are corners where the standard of 0 is a 0.6 for pesticides, aluminum levels or the outlier standard of 200µgr / L is 2325 µgr / L aluminum etc. etc.

It’s all about a big wallet.
Unfortunately it is not the state that will help us in any case not the one in which have life.

Little extra m bros (to whom we still owe a liver say thank you for showing us what we no longer want and yes), neither vote for Sarko nor for the other country of cheese;), what about who votes it ??? MLP without a doubt.

Little more for the other cheese country, who are its economic advisers ??? magna of finance in direct link with big banks I let you discover this for yourself nothing beats an information sought by his own care to understand it well as we say;).

Not to end on a dark note I would say that there are tried and tested methods like the BRF which have proven and are still proving today, and that little by little there are sick farmers (I hope they will get better) who realize what they have done, and that even the road transport operator is starting to be affected too, thus showing everyone the calamity in which we want to make us live.
In America the amaranth pollinated by but transgenic starts to invade the fields in the south, force the farmer to stop cultivating the fields, and his same farmer also realize that the fertilizers and pesticide costs them more expensive than what he reports to them.

Nothing is lost everything has just started, you have to go through it to know that this is not what you want.

The man opens his eyes and what he sees no longer pleases him.

to each of us to accept or not to buy our shit, we are the consumers, we have the power it is time to apply it.

In Austria after the report on the rabbit breeding done by green peace, the Austrians stopped overnight buying rabbit balance sheet, the farms closed only those respecting the animal have survived, it takes a lot of broken eggs to make omelettes as they said, break the eggs of producers without morale (shame for those who just did not think they are victims too) whatever it is is not a bad thing if you have looked at it for the good end of the spyglass;).

the information can no longer be stopped for the moment in any case (cf ACTA it is not cool either).

On this good day everyone and take care of yourself and us at the same time, vote (but not useful rather necessary, and choose what you buy and or).

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by Flytox » 04/03/12, 13:08

bidouille23 wrote:Hello,

it is not won with holes of the C ... the same but hey we will get there anyway : Mrgreen: , he is afraid for his sioux the gentleman hi he is an Indian full normal stock market :) .

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what is also interesting is to see who runs "the haute loire paysanne" fnsea fdsea that people not at all concerned by money what :) .

agriculture is an economy lol me who thought it was to feed us ....

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I really hope that they will end up totally ruined in supporting such toxic imbecilities ..... before being brought to justice for poisoning the populations, it is the best thing that can happen to them. In our peaceful region we do not stone this kind of great pest ....
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by Did67 » 04/03/12, 13:13

sen-no-sen wrote:Anyway at the train where things are going, the agriculture of tomorrow will be the business only of vehicles guided by GPS and traders! : x

The terroir will end up at the bottom of the drawers! : Mrgreen:


This is a mistake.

Originally, agriculture was the means of converting solar energy into chemical energy (starch, wheat, bread flour and animal derivatives) ...

Less than a century ago, the energy balance was 100%. Even the pulling force (horses, oxen, donkeys, workers, women, children) were fed from this stored chemical energy ... Their droppings returned to the earth. Only the energy was "volatilized"! But it was ... solar.

At the mineral level, it was recycling (return via incorporated waste, manure ...) + extraction of the bedrock ...

Only water, in certain situations, was managed to optimize the system: gravity irrigation, overflow, etc.

And then we moved very very quickly to an "oil" agriculture (the energy of the machines mentioned, but also of everything that revolves around it, including transport from a particular specialized region - the one with the most natural advantages - to consumers).

And of course, manufacturing at low cost first, still affordable today, from hydrocarbons from nitrogen fertilizers and pesticides ...

The "energy" yield of agriculture collapsed with that! Solar energy plays a very weak role alongside fossil fuel from hydrocarbons in what reaches our tables.
We eat more "bar oil" than "solar bar"!

This model is obviously deadlocked. As the price of hydrocarbons soars, agricultural prices will explode! This started. With impacts that only the poorest measure [an example: rapeseed oil increased from 0,90 to 1,40 in about 5 years]

The economic advantage will tip over to the side of those who spend the most on oil ...

The editorials will radically change. Out of pure opportunism.

For the moment, only a few see that.

No, the future is not for tractors controlled by GPS.

The future lies in "no-tillage", in simplified techniques but also in the complexity of the plots (bringing back biodiversity to have a resilient system - resistant to attacks), agroforestry (exploitation of several strata at the same time, at the arterial level as at the souyterrain level). The soils will be 100% covered (since solar energy will once again be the key).

It will be ecologically intense. Not by ideological convictions. By economic necessity and survival.

Things that these “poor” Africans already know because that's how they survive. That we're going to have to sting them ...

That's briefly.

And that's why we must not blame the poor barkers who are victims of the emptiness of their reflexions, plugged into the Chicago stock exchange, go straight into the wall but the orchestra plays in core ...

Rather, fools remind me of pity.
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by sen-no-sen » 04/03/12, 13:30

Did67 wrote:
No, the future is not for tractors controlled by GPS.

The future lies in "no-tillage", in simplified techniques but also in the complexity of the plots (bringing back biodiversity to have a resilient system - resistant to attacks), agroforestry (exploitation of several strata at the same time, at the arterial level as at the souyterrain level). The soils will be 100% covered (since solar energy will once again be the key).

It will be ecologically intense. Not by ideological convictions. By economic necessity and survival.

I hope you tell the truth, alas, the technocrats have already largely planned the seizure of the machine and genetic manipulation on agriculture, as long as the only logic will be that of growth will eat us shit!

To see, an excellent video with Claude Bourguignon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zdYkhs5Oco
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by bidouille23 » 04/03/12, 13:52

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by Grelinette » 05/03/12, 19:26

Well ... well ... now that we all agree, what can we do then? : Shock:

It would be good to start thinking about solutions and actions that could help react.

It is neither simple nor easy. The environment of environmentalists and opponents of these agro lobbies remains very disparate, perhaps united, but ineffective in its actions. Conversely, opposite there is a consensus (earning money by all means), and powerful means.

What to do without falling into illegality and which is not too restrictive for the ordinary citizen?

(Demonstrations and "punch" actions show their limits and are not accessible to everyone, especially since there is no hesitation in front of them to take legal action and use the baton and tear gas).

In short, it is necessary to show imagination to find soft but effective "weapons" ... It's not easy.
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by bidouille23 » 05/03/12, 20:07

SLut,

for my part I pay attention to what I buy and where I buy it, favor the producer more than the big box stores, do not buy the little plastic shit that is used for everyone and in fact nothing, ask yourself before 'buy anything if you really need it (developed the philosophy of the essential rather than the futile), buy less but better.

In terms of trade, for example, I just saw on France 3 that the first store made by and for agricultural producers, vegetables, fruit, cheeses, etc., has just opened, it's a step forward.

Stop throwing away working objects and turn them into associations (I'm not talking about emmaus, they have become traders like the others, this is the least bad solution), the red cross and local associations especially.

Repair as much as possible, and teach your children not to fall into the trap of consumption.

Make your garden, exchange, barter, barter of equipment but also time, lend your equipment ...

In terms of respect for the land, and good for rural residents, keep an eye on the neighbor farmer and not hesitate to remind him of the rules when spraying, for example force 3 max, try to speak with him , show him films such as that of coline Serreau (local solution ...).

Boycott is a legal and effective means ....

These are the small streams that make the big rivers as they said, but above all do not get discouraged and keep your conscience so as not to regret anything afterwards. :) .
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