Regional debate

[chatelot16]

The current debate on the region is exasperating

the thousand administrative sheet is criticizable I agree but to reduce it must remove a layer! not just move it!

that the region is a little bit bigger will not reduce the number of layers of the mille feuilles ... it will just be more of a relocation expense.

regions too large will be as useless as too small area: this is proof that there is no need for this floor between department and state!

we can not suppress the department: it operates administrative services that serve ... we could delete the regions without saying anything nobody would see what is missing!

If we had to remove the department so that the current region is the only floor, it would be a reduction of one layer, but is it useful?

is it really time to reform the organization? ... the problem is not to reorganize ... the problem is to make the country walk

when the boat sinks because there are holes, it is necessary to make the carpenter work to repair: is it the moment to reform the organization of the officers?

it is rather the moment to put all the means available where it is necessary to use the officers in place without putting the paddle with stupid reorganizations

[Did67]

1) If I understood correctly, the suppression of the departments is well envisaged ...

2) Agree with you that "regrouping" doesn't change much; maybe some reductions in "common" services: "protocol", "communication", "regional newspaper ..." etc ...

For the rest, it will be necessary to keep "offices" where before, there was the Council ...

3) On the other hand, have we ever thought about what the mille-feuille costs? An example: look at the signs adorning "public worksites"; they are very often "co-financed" - I am talking about the sites; conclusion: the file was examined in each of the departments, by different people: this is the first waste; but worse: each service has its point of view, so it took a certain number of meetings to get everyone to agree: delays, additional costs because of the multiplication of meetings and sometimes, big bullshit !!!

So I think we have to tackle the mille-feuille; overdraw at least one of the steps; group everything - a service that decides ...

[chatelot16]

we agree: to remove an echelon would be little well ... that the region is larger will not reduce the number of steps

the creation of the region was a mistake: it might have been useful to make a smaller region completely replacing the departments, simply to take into account the fact that the means of transport allow to group a slightly larger area

still that ecologically it is discussed ... transport is making progress in speed, but the rise in the price of energy will push us to save transportation so current departments are not bad

if you have to do economics there is only coldly remove the region: it will not fail anyone!

it will allow to regroup some departments, like the Corsican which had been shared in 2 department to be able to make an area all alone! it's still the height of waste ... it would be comical if it was not reality

the story of the need for greater region to be heard in europe is stupid! France must be heard ... why the region should be big enough to short circuit France?

it is not europe that has to modify the administrative division

[sen-no-sen]

The current debate on the region is exasperating

the thousand administrative sheet is criticizable I agree but to reduce it must remove a layer! not just move it!

It is necessary to understand the mechanisms which are at the origin of this "redistribution".
Our elites have only one thing in sight: globalism.
Outside of globalism it is the unification of all the countries of the world under a single governance.
Out to get to that it is necessary to enlarge all the substructures.
For a country like France the 22 regions correspond to a geographical division related to climates and geological peculiarities: Provence Alpes Cote d'Azur, Rhône Alpes, Brittany etc ...

In the globalist doctrine of such division are uninteresting at the global level, hence the idea of ​​merging the regions that constitute our country and the unified to the future world department that will become our country ...

Another dubious aspect: the savings supposed to result.
This argument corresponds perfectly to the productivist doxa: to reduce always more employment ... but until?
We remove officials, people from the private sector, we relocate, then we automate in countries or we relocate etc ... according to some observers should all be unemployed by 30 years ago!

So be careful not to repeat as idiots the argument of propaganda that would be aimed at reducing the operating costs of our society for our good! It's a shameless lie!

[chatelot16]

Our elites have only one thing in sight: globalism.

do you think our elites have something in sight ??? you are deluding yourself ...

the mistake of the current democracy is to select those who have one thing in mind: to be elected ...

[sen-no-sen]

Our elites have only one thing in sight: globalism.

do you think our elites have something in sight ??? you are deluding yourself ...

the mistake of the current democracy is to select those who have one thing in mind: to be elected ...

The government is only applying the measures which come from above (European technocracy) itself resulting from "think tanks".

[Did67]

do not take up as idiots the argument of propaganda that would aim to reduce the running costs of our society for our good! It's a shameless lie!

I do not think it's silly for example:

- to put under the same (single) hat the bodies which organize regional rail transport (currently the Regions) and those which organize school pick-ups and bus transport - "departmental lines" (the Departments)

- to decide who is in charge of the roundabouts, to take this example once again: I get angry when I see the European Union (in certain areas) / State / Region / Department as funders; ceal means that the same file has been "treated" 4 times!

- high schools, like the CFA, are financed and built / maintained by the Regions / Colleges by the departments: is there, from a technical point of view, a profound difference between these two types of buildings? Wouldn't we gain in sparsely populated areas, by building "school housing estates" with several wings, one being the high school, the other the college, the other the CFA ???

etc.

etc.

So we can defend everything or its opposite by putting the pie-to-the cream of globalization!

The boon that I am thinks that if a file is examined 4 times by 4 instances, by 4 technicians or 4 engineers or 4 "project managers", it will cost more than if a person decides. And that with regard to these bodies, it is about our taxes and charges. And when it comes to taxes and charges, no matter how hard you squeeze the lemon, one hour of work will cost too much to release a product or service at a competitive price ...

For your information, without necessarily aligning, we can still see that Germany is 16 regions and 12 municipalities. For 000 million inhabitants but only 82 km² of course. To know this country well, everything is far from perfect. But it also works! And they have, oddly enough, the same Europe and the same globalization "above" them ...

[sen-no-sen]

do not take up as idiots the argument of propaganda that would aim to reduce the running costs of our society for our good! It's a shameless lie!

I do not think it's silly for example:

- to put under the same (single) hat the bodies which organize regional rail transport (currently the Regions) and those which organize school pick-ups and bus transport - "departmental lines" (the Departments)

- to decide who is in charge of the roundabouts, to take this example once again: I get angry when I see the European Union (in certain areas) / State / Region / Department as funders; ceal means that the same file has been "treated" 4 times!

- high schools, like the CFA, are financed and built / maintained by the Regions / Colleges by the departments: is there, from a technical point of view, a profound difference between these two types of buildings? Wouldn't we gain in sparsely populated areas, by building "school housing estates" with several wings, one being the high school, the other the college, the other the CFA ???

It is quite possible to maximize administrative efficiency without having to resort to merging the regions.
In this case it is not the redrawing of the regions that is in play, but the administrative functioning, except we get bladder for lanterns by putting forward this story of cost reduction.

And when it comes to taxes and charges, it will be nice to squeeze the lemon, an hour of work will cost too much to get a product or service to a competetive price...

You will always be able to reduce the number of officials, you will see that the prices will never be competitive.

For information, without necessarily aligning, we can still find that Germany is 16 common regions and 12 000. For 82 million inhabitants but only 357 000 km ² certainly.

The ratio of regions / area of ​​the country is roughly the same: 22000 km2 for Germany and 25000 for France.
Germany is not immune to the globalization policy, we can just applaud the ability of its leaders to have more protection of the industrial fabric.

[Ahmed]

... we can just salute the ability of its leaders to have more protected the industrial fabric.

Industrial fabric that only survives due to the precariousness of other countries!
The so-called Teutonic "virtue" only works because of the so-called Greek "recklessness" (and others); much too simplistic categorization to be honest.

[sen-no-sen]

... we can just salute the ability of its leaders to have more protected the industrial fabric.

Industrial fabric that only survives due to the precariousness of other countries!

My quotes are related to the inability of "our" leaders to protect our industry, however I really do not consider Germany as a benchmark ... it will not escape the crash.