I know little about the economic particularities of Iceland and the economic history (otherwise tormented!) Of Argentina: let's wait to see what that gives, anyway, these two countries are chained to the world economy.
On the other hand the economy is not simple thing and, as I already had the opportunity to explain it, many crises which seemed without remedy were seen overcome at the cost of a new device which repelled it later, but at higher levels.
Currently, applying this "potion" to France or Belgium (to the extent that this would be possible and without prejudging any miscalculated consequences) would obviously resolve the question of repayment, but since the structural cause of the use of loans would not have disappeared so far, it would start again for a round ...
We should not trust economic activity, even if unemployment disappeared (school assumption), most of the jobs concern the tertiary sector *; according to most economists, this sector is a producer of value (be careful, I am not discussing here the usefulness of these jobs, not simply their contribution to the increase in the mass of capital), opinion that i have shared for a long time, but it is to confuse creation of abstract value and allocation of resources (distribution of this same value); the creation of abstract value depends on the quantity of human labor incorporated, at a given stage of productivity, into merchandise, the allocation of resources takes place, according to the power relations existing between human groups.
It is something that cannot be demonstrated, but it is a fruitful postulate which accounts well for the phenomena ... in particular of the expansion of the debt, but not only.
In economics, there are many cognitive biases, I cite two: capitalism has always existed and the "glorious thirties" were to lead to ever more prosperity ...
I would develop these two points if someone is interested ...
* Himself in recession and changing to "odd jobs".
Charles Sannat
A resetting of the economy still did not save Argentina, which is still in bad shape today. I am also thinking of Japan, which has never recovered from its crisis of the 90s.
Are we really going to witness the end of Europe and the end of the euro?
Are we going to witness the bankruptcy of France?
And despite the prevailing discourse and the boom of the "collaborative economy", as some call it, I still do not see much of the human changes that should result from this change ..... (solidarity, refusal to withdraw into oneself) .
Do you see any change?
Are we really going to witness the end of Europe and the end of the euro?
Are we going to witness the bankruptcy of France?
And despite the prevailing discourse and the boom of the "collaborative economy", as some call it, I still do not see much of the human changes that should result from this change ..... (solidarity, refusal to withdraw into oneself) .
Do you see any change?
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Without falling into a falsifying mythology of the "lost paradise", it is clear that since the middle of the nineteenth century, with the Fourierist utopias and other phalanstery there was a strong worker solidarity (among the rich, solidarity is the condition for maintaining their privileges ) which increased at the beginning of the XNUMXth century by the immense hope raised by the Russian Revolution. Very strong links existed between people through militant associations, labor exchanges, but also support for victims of illness, bereavement, funding of decent funerals, reading circle and debate (many were illiterate, which did not prevent a high level of culture transmitted orally *).
The war of 1914-18 was to strike a first blow at this solidarity: on the one hand by providing proof that class solidarity was erased before nationalism, then by the physical elimination of whole sections of the peasant, working class and small employees and finally the diversion of efforts, between the wars, for real recognition of the suffering endured ...
At the same time, the existence of the USSR, even if it was feared by some and admired unconditionally by others (for the wrong reasons in the opposite camps) made it possible to obtain, little by little, working conditions less painful, more extensive rights, with the electoral victory of the Popular Front.
Solidarity was always present, but the worm was in the fruit, for two reasons.
Taylorism, spread in the United States towards the middle of the XXth, its effect is clear and knowingly sought by its promoters: to replace qualified workers whom the industrialists needed, by servants of machine capable of quickly learning the few gestures necessary to a task on which they have no initiative and therefore make it a substitutable element, without the power to negotiate; pride in know-how disappeared along with the ability to face the employer.
This operating system will be observed in France with a significant lag and less intensity, in a country which has remained clearly more rural and agricultural than its "model".
The other reason is that the improvement of living conditions disarms the revolutionary wills of the past, which can be seen in the level of left-wing political groups which become, for the most influential, reformists.
The period of the Occupation was a catalyst for the selfishness of some and the solidarity of others ...
After the war, major upheavals allow opportunists to change their social status: the American manna opened up new opportunities and formed the basis of the "Thirty Glorious Years", a period of rapid expansion, full employment and planning with its major societal change : the rural exodus which brings its flood of uprooted people to the cities and jobs in industry; in terra incognita.
to be continued...
* This is one of the things that surprised me the most when I was led to study these popular activities a little more closely, the complete disconnection in many people between the ability to read and a strong culture.
The war of 1914-18 was to strike a first blow at this solidarity: on the one hand by providing proof that class solidarity was erased before nationalism, then by the physical elimination of whole sections of the peasant, working class and small employees and finally the diversion of efforts, between the wars, for real recognition of the suffering endured ...
At the same time, the existence of the USSR, even if it was feared by some and admired unconditionally by others (for the wrong reasons in the opposite camps) made it possible to obtain, little by little, working conditions less painful, more extensive rights, with the electoral victory of the Popular Front.
Solidarity was always present, but the worm was in the fruit, for two reasons.
Taylorism, spread in the United States towards the middle of the XXth, its effect is clear and knowingly sought by its promoters: to replace qualified workers whom the industrialists needed, by servants of machine capable of quickly learning the few gestures necessary to a task on which they have no initiative and therefore make it a substitutable element, without the power to negotiate; pride in know-how disappeared along with the ability to face the employer.
This operating system will be observed in France with a significant lag and less intensity, in a country which has remained clearly more rural and agricultural than its "model".
The other reason is that the improvement of living conditions disarms the revolutionary wills of the past, which can be seen in the level of left-wing political groups which become, for the most influential, reformists.
The period of the Occupation was a catalyst for the selfishness of some and the solidarity of others ...
After the war, major upheavals allow opportunists to change their social status: the American manna opened up new opportunities and formed the basis of the "Thirty Glorious Years", a period of rapid expansion, full employment and planning with its major societal change : the rural exodus which brings its flood of uprooted people to the cities and jobs in industry; in terra incognita.
to be continued...
* This is one of the things that surprised me the most when I was led to study these popular activities a little more closely, the complete disconnection in many people between the ability to read and a strong culture.
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"Please don't believe what I'm telling you."
An awkward maneuver made the end of my text disappear, my efforts made it reappear. Resumption and continuation.
After the war, major upheavals allow opportunists to change their social status: the American manna opened up new opportunities and formed the basis of the "Thirty Glorious Years", a period of rapid expansion, full employment and planning with its major societal change : the rural exodus which brings its flood of uprooted people to the cities and jobs in industry; in terra incognita, the solidarity dulls, especially as the employers encourage a policy of massive immigration of North African labor, to increase the balance of power in their favor ...
However, an increasingly important part of the population, often by the passage in the tertiary sector sees, on the one hand its "standard of living" increasing, or at least the future prospects of their children improve, on the other hand, a capture of their free time captured by the leisure activities offered by the market: a set of individuals tends to replace a company of people. This is what denounces Marcus, Overflowing and many others...
Since then, the situation has continued to deteriorate due to the increase in unemployment which exacerbates competition between employees, the multiplicity of "tailor-made" positions, partial or temporary, which opposes a collective conscience, pressure of individual loans and a substitutive focus on the mediocre adventure of Johanna, as if our lives had become too mediocre for us to be interested in ...
There is a residual solidarity that it is important to cultivate all the more actively and which will be our only bulwark when the "clash" occurs ...
This operating model was born almost 250 years ago, to the point that those who ignore history think of it as a permanent given of the way in which people relate to each other, through the abstract value, the labor and merchandise. This model has developed, has conquered the world in its two variants, private and state, and if it has overcome many crises thanks to its extraordinary plasticity, its end is no less as certain as that of n ' no matter what body ...
The collaborative economy serves as a patch to the system, by betting on what remains of solidarity to fulfill important tasks that it could not fulfill, since it does not correspond to its objectives ... it is a way of discarding activities not very lucrative.
After the war, major upheavals allow opportunists to change their social status: the American manna opened up new opportunities and formed the basis of the "Thirty Glorious Years", a period of rapid expansion, full employment and planning with its major societal change : the rural exodus which brings its flood of uprooted people to the cities and jobs in industry; in terra incognita, the solidarity dulls, especially as the employers encourage a policy of massive immigration of North African labor, to increase the balance of power in their favor ...
However, an increasingly important part of the population, often by the passage in the tertiary sector sees, on the one hand its "standard of living" increasing, or at least the future prospects of their children improve, on the other hand, a capture of their free time captured by the leisure activities offered by the market: a set of individuals tends to replace a company of people. This is what denounces Marcus, Overflowing and many others...
Since then, the situation has continued to deteriorate due to the increase in unemployment which exacerbates competition between employees, the multiplicity of "tailor-made" positions, partial or temporary, which opposes a collective conscience, pressure of individual loans and a substitutive focus on the mediocre adventure of Johanna, as if our lives had become too mediocre for us to be interested in ...
There is a residual solidarity that it is important to cultivate all the more actively and which will be our only bulwark when the "clash" occurs ...
This operating model was born almost 250 years ago, to the point that those who ignore history think of it as a permanent given of the way in which people relate to each other, through the abstract value, the labor and merchandise. This model has developed, has conquered the world in its two variants, private and state, and if it has overcome many crises thanks to its extraordinary plasticity, its end is no less as certain as that of n ' no matter what body ...
The collaborative economy serves as a patch to the system, by betting on what remains of solidarity to fulfill important tasks that it could not fulfill, since it does not correspond to its objectives ... it is a way of discarding activities not very lucrative.
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"Please don't believe what I'm telling you."
Before trying to answer your question, a few preliminary details.
Most people, noting the human domination exerted on the nature and the extreme sophistication of our urban lifestyles freeing us from its constraints, deduce from this the impossibility of a civilizational collapse, nor even the possibility of a step back: the myth of progress has frozen the imagination.
A minority, often of conspiratorial inspiration or simply of environmentalist sensitivity (not to be confused with environmentalists, but there is little risk: the latter are not legion!) Thinks the big crunch is certain. The first, of the survivalist type in a "muscular" way, are not very sensitive to theoretical aspects; all of their writings and videos relate to practical survival methods (more on this later). Pessimistic environmentalists infer the collapse of a cocktail of resource depletion (an oil-based civilization necessarily collapses along with its energy source) and widespread pollution.
There is a third positioning, very little represented it is true, but of which I am a part, which thinks of the preventable catastrophe at the cost of great efforts and therefore inevitable for the latter reason ... Perhaps this will appear to you as a nuance quite superficial, but it is not.
Bertrand maheust (which I strongly advise you to read his last two books; "The oxymoron's politics"And"Nostalgia for occupation"; this last opus constitutes a deepening of the problems raised in the preceding one), as a philosopher and historian of the psyche explores, from this largely ignored point of view, the evolution of our societies, in a luminous and fascinating way.
My starting point is very different, but agrees with his. My economic approach, both theoretical and practical, led me to understand that a system, whatever it is, ends up collapsing after a certain number of reiterations, by accumulation of its initial contradictions. Contradictions that are quite invisible at first, even beneficial at a certain stage, but lethal later. Without going into other more complex considerations, the simple fact that the essence of capitalism is growth immediately shows its principal absurdity: growth is included in all living organisms, together that stopping it, at the right time. Of course, an easy objection would be to point out that it is entirely possible to indefinitely increase the mass of abstract value, except that this is always paid for, directly or indirectly by a destruction of a nature (including , therefore, human damage) which is over.
This is why I strive to fulfill the office of a "prophylactic apocalyptician", since collapse is inevitable as long as one thinks it is impossible and can be avoided provided one is convinced of its occurrence: here we are in the presence of counterfactual reasoning. Even if the latter has a great solidity, its application is obviously very improbable because of the psychic attacks resulting from the system and which B. Maheust explains masterfully, psychic attacks which limit the imaginary to a fascination for the real, interpreted, wrongly. , as the only one possible.
Most people, noting the human domination exerted on the nature and the extreme sophistication of our urban lifestyles freeing us from its constraints, deduce from this the impossibility of a civilizational collapse, nor even the possibility of a step back: the myth of progress has frozen the imagination.
A minority, often of conspiratorial inspiration or simply of environmentalist sensitivity (not to be confused with environmentalists, but there is little risk: the latter are not legion!) Thinks the big crunch is certain. The first, of the survivalist type in a "muscular" way, are not very sensitive to theoretical aspects; all of their writings and videos relate to practical survival methods (more on this later). Pessimistic environmentalists infer the collapse of a cocktail of resource depletion (an oil-based civilization necessarily collapses along with its energy source) and widespread pollution.
There is a third positioning, very little represented it is true, but of which I am a part, which thinks of the preventable catastrophe at the cost of great efforts and therefore inevitable for the latter reason ... Perhaps this will appear to you as a nuance quite superficial, but it is not.
Bertrand maheust (which I strongly advise you to read his last two books; "The oxymoron's politics"And"Nostalgia for occupation"; this last opus constitutes a deepening of the problems raised in the preceding one), as a philosopher and historian of the psyche explores, from this largely ignored point of view, the evolution of our societies, in a luminous and fascinating way.
My starting point is very different, but agrees with his. My economic approach, both theoretical and practical, led me to understand that a system, whatever it is, ends up collapsing after a certain number of reiterations, by accumulation of its initial contradictions. Contradictions that are quite invisible at first, even beneficial at a certain stage, but lethal later. Without going into other more complex considerations, the simple fact that the essence of capitalism is growth immediately shows its principal absurdity: growth is included in all living organisms, together that stopping it, at the right time. Of course, an easy objection would be to point out that it is entirely possible to indefinitely increase the mass of abstract value, except that this is always paid for, directly or indirectly by a destruction of a nature (including , therefore, human damage) which is over.
This is why I strive to fulfill the office of a "prophylactic apocalyptician", since collapse is inevitable as long as one thinks it is impossible and can be avoided provided one is convinced of its occurrence: here we are in the presence of counterfactual reasoning. Even if the latter has a great solidity, its application is obviously very improbable because of the psychic attacks resulting from the system and which B. Maheust explains masterfully, psychic attacks which limit the imaginary to a fascination for the real, interpreted, wrongly. , as the only one possible.
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"Please don't believe what I'm telling you."
I would say long live bankruptcy and guess who would be the losers. Personally, I owe me nothing.
Since Philippe le Bel it is a method that works well.
Long live bankruptcy!
http://www.editions.fakirpresse.info/in ... egory_id/1
But to whom do we owe all this money?
Since Philippe le Bel it is a method that works well.
Long live bankruptcy!
http://www.editions.fakirpresse.info/in ... egory_id/1
But to whom do we owe all this money?
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Raymon, you are not well! I gave above a schematic explanation which answers, quickly I recognize it, to your question:
You could usefully refer to the passages of other sons in which I had the opportunity to expand on the subject ...
But I'm going to be forgiving and tell you a story, that of a monarch and his gardener Raymon.
One day when the king was walking in his park, he noticed a very young tree with delicately cut leaves and a beautiful brilliant green; he sent for Raymon and told him that this plant was beautiful and deserved better than to be relegated to the far end of his park, that he should find a prominent place for it and watch over it. What our gardener did: the shrub recovered and began to grow again, but the king found it very puny and little in keeping with the prestige he hoped to derive from it. He ordered Raymon to speed things up and Raymon strove to provide him with all the care that his science permitted: the tree developed magnificently and reached such a development that the volume of its roots and the surface of its leaves. allowed to explore new spaces in order to grow more beautifully. The king was happy, or almost, because, a few years later, he declared: "He has become very beautiful thanks to you, but his size is still very small compared to the trees which are nearby and I want him to all exceed, so that it is the center of attention and symbolizes my glory ". There, Raymon was very embarrassed, because the tree, grown up, began to slow down its growth and he did not know what to do, however he could not disobey the king ...
He understood that it was no longer enough to bring fertilizers, to treat the watering, all that had become insufficient, it was necessary to proceed in a radically new way.
He therefore embarked on endless experiments and, after many years of hard work, he developed a complicated and strange-looking mixture which had the astonishing property of deceiving nature and ignoring its signal to stop growth in adulthood. Under the effect of this extraordinary product, the tree resumed its expansion, to the great pleasure of the king who was beginning to lose patience and to the great relief of Raymond who, endowed with a plump rent returned to end his days in the lands which had seen birth.
But nature, like the monarchs, does not like that one goes beyond his will and it happened that a storm brought down the one who had unwittingly defied him: higher, wider than any other, he suffered all the power of the elements.
Voila, I hope you will understand better in this symbolic form.
But to whom do we owe all this money?
You could usefully refer to the passages of other sons in which I had the opportunity to expand on the subject ...
But I'm going to be forgiving and tell you a story, that of a monarch and his gardener Raymon.
One day when the king was walking in his park, he noticed a very young tree with delicately cut leaves and a beautiful brilliant green; he sent for Raymon and told him that this plant was beautiful and deserved better than to be relegated to the far end of his park, that he should find a prominent place for it and watch over it. What our gardener did: the shrub recovered and began to grow again, but the king found it very puny and little in keeping with the prestige he hoped to derive from it. He ordered Raymon to speed things up and Raymon strove to provide him with all the care that his science permitted: the tree developed magnificently and reached such a development that the volume of its roots and the surface of its leaves. allowed to explore new spaces in order to grow more beautifully. The king was happy, or almost, because, a few years later, he declared: "He has become very beautiful thanks to you, but his size is still very small compared to the trees which are nearby and I want him to all exceed, so that it is the center of attention and symbolizes my glory ". There, Raymon was very embarrassed, because the tree, grown up, began to slow down its growth and he did not know what to do, however he could not disobey the king ...
He understood that it was no longer enough to bring fertilizers, to treat the watering, all that had become insufficient, it was necessary to proceed in a radically new way.
He therefore embarked on endless experiments and, after many years of hard work, he developed a complicated and strange-looking mixture which had the astonishing property of deceiving nature and ignoring its signal to stop growth in adulthood. Under the effect of this extraordinary product, the tree resumed its expansion, to the great pleasure of the king who was beginning to lose patience and to the great relief of Raymond who, endowed with a plump rent returned to end his days in the lands which had seen birth.
But nature, like the monarchs, does not like that one goes beyond his will and it happened that a storm brought down the one who had unwittingly defied him: higher, wider than any other, he suffered all the power of the elements.
Voila, I hope you will understand better in this symbolic form.
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"Please don't believe what I'm telling you."
Arnangu, before entering the most delicate part of the subject, I must remedy a serious oversight: in the last category mentioned above, I omitted to mention François Roddier who analyzes in the widest possible way our relationship with nature and the energy exchanges that take place there: it is a very innovative and fruitful process that I invite you to consult on his website and on the wire forum dedicated to him. You will see that if I am skeptical about some of his conclusions concerning the recent period, it is because his scientific explanatory model is gigantic and, if he is perfect at long and medium time distance, he suffers from inaccuracy at short range . Mine being little extended in time, is incapable of its large syntheses, but (at least I hope so!), More relevant for current analyzes.
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"Please don't believe what I'm telling you."
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