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by Christophe » 05/12/12, 13:48

chatelot16 wrote:your barracks was certainly a beautiful stone building with wooden floors ... impossible to praise that with current standards

conclusion we prefer to leave people in the street than to praise what exists, because what exists is not up to standards

Renting each room in the barracks as an apartment leaving the communal toilet seems like another age ... but it might have been helpful to a lot of people! a room in a barracks with a tiny rent is better than nothing or a real flat too expensive we can not afford to pay


Certainly that it was necessary a rehabilitation (and the current one is rather what I call very heavy ... would have to inquire on google but I believe that they kept only the walls which had to be classified) but what prevented starting work 25 years ago rather than at the end of the year 2000 ?? Nothing except the interests of some ...
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by chatelot16 » 05/12/12, 14:10

keep the 4 walls and redo everything is ridiculous! it costs more than building new

the building was classified! it confirms, the state itself invented the rules to put the sticks in the wheels!
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by sen-no-sen » 05/12/12, 15:18

chatelot16 wrote:keep the 4 walls and redo everything is ridiculous! it costs more than building new

the building was classified! it confirms, the state itself invented the rules to put the sticks in the wheels!



So should we sacrifice our heritage on the altar of profitability? :|
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by chatelot16 » 05/12/12, 15:44

why sacrifice heritage? , use it as it is

for the same price as making 100 new housing in an old barracks, making 150 new housing elsewhere, and using the old barracks free of charge as emergency accommodation

if doing something new inside an old building is too expensive, it's worse than unprofitable: it's wasteful!
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by BobFuck » 05/12/12, 20:53

sen-no-sen wrote:Liberalizing the construction sector is only a very fragmented way of dealing with a much larger problem: poverty.


For that, it will be necessary to leave socialism ...

sen-no-sen wrote:As we have between 400 € and 1000 € / month how do we build?


You are not asking the right questions. Here are a few :

1- Why build when you are poor? What is this fantasy of France of owners? We live very well in rental too.

When the state campaigns for a France of owners, it is because when you have 30 years of credit to the bottom, you do not make the revolution, and because an owner is a fixed target easy to tax.

2- And therefore, to house the poor, why is there no supply of potable housing with a rent of, say, 2-300 €?

With a profitability over 15 years, at, say, 250 € in rent, that makes us 30 m², not luxurious but drinkable, suitable for a single person. For 2 poor people, you can multiply the surface by 2.

Obviously this calculation does not include taxes, the price of land, the hassles and the impossibility of removing non-payers (all this being due to weak laws), this is why it is not done.

After (provided the device is greatly simplified), the APLs are added on top.

And I agree with chatelot: we must allow the slums to be rented, but also allow the increase in supply, which should by competition create a slum market at super-discount prices : Mrgreen:

> And that's good if the market drops like this here ...

Oh yeah !
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by Christophe » 05/12/12, 21:18

chatelot16 wrote:keep the 4 walls and redo everything is ridiculous! it costs more than building new

the building was classified! it confirms, the state itself invented the rules to put the sticks in the wheels!


I think that's it ... well I checked, this is the Lefebvre barracks:
http://www.serm68.fr/renouvellement-urb ... ebvre.html

Images: http://www.google.fr/search?channel=fs& ... 0QX6n4HIBg

http://www.mulhouse.fr/fr/Les-Jardins-Neppert/

Lefebvre Park

Parc Lefebvre is located inside the barracks of the same name. The U-shaped building of the barracks is preserved and rehabilitated by the Batigère group. It will house around a hundred dwellings, spread over four levels. The apartments, from T2 to T4, will be offered for rental. The building will retain its original street side facade and will offer large balconies on the garden side, as well as patios, skylights and glass roofs. The building will meet the criteria of low consumption (solar panels, materials of natural origin, etc.). The works, started in summer 2010, should be completed at the end of 2012.


There is even a video: http://vimeo.com/19792279

There are 3 other disused barracks in Mulhouse: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulhouse#L ... s_casernes

Of course the state is putting a spanner in the works ... that's collusion ...
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by delnoram » 05/12/12, 21:23

And for the same price, a video

:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8ikAl7Irtg
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by Christophe » 05/12/12, 21:27

BobFuck wrote:1- Why build when you are poor? What is this fantasy of France of owners? We live very well in rental too.

When the state campaigns for a France of owners, it is because when you have 30 years of credit to the bottom, you do not make the revolution, and because an owner is a fixed target easy to tax.


+1 we have a lot to do with a collusion of building trades, bankers and the State ...

Absolutely and when you see what it ultimately costs to be a homeowner now (a credit over 30 years at 5% annually is almost paying double the property) and this State takes you after in estate costs. ..ben in fine you must think carefully before signing ...

In fact the main interest of being an owner is to be able to improve, tinker, in your accommodation ... very reduced possibility when you are a tenant ...
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by Christophe » 05/12/12, 21:28

delnoram wrote:And for the same price, a video

:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8ikAl7Irtg


It's not a video it's a photo slideshow ... nuance :)

(yes you know i like quibbling lol)
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by manoria68 » 05/12/12, 22:29

me, I have already worked with homeless people several times, and I can tell you with certainty that whatever the accommodation which will be occupied by homeless people will end up being ransacked, so let's take example, you have two cars, so one only serves the we, and the other is used during the week, would you agree to lend that of the week the week to gypsies who have no means of transport ??? and a way to compensate ???
I let you imagine how the car will become.
the same goes for empty accommodation.
The Minister of Housing had better worry about new housing, which is down 20%. unemployment in 2013 will reach unprecedented records in 2013 in construction !!!
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