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"To work for a better world and to enrich oneself"

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by I Citro » 12/02/09, 01:43

Christophe wrote:
Elec wrote:
Christophe wrote:Their association is declared ... in Delaware I believe ... if not abroad!

Even better ! : Lol:

Yes surely to avoid reporting: as much to those they insult that tax ...

: Lol: : Lol: : Lol:

You really think they are university professors ... :?: :P

I did well to put the links. I rather took them for anars on the return ...
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I find, however, that confront ma vision of things with theirs allows me to better perceive where I am ... in the real world. : roll:
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by Christophe » 12/02/09, 02:18

Well at the time in the editorial board yes there were teachers of fac ...

Not bad the Elec image except the: Positive Growth (TM = TradeMark <- Image)
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by Elec » 12/02/09, 02:26

You have the eye! ;)
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by Lietseu » 12/02/09, 14:27

Elephant says:

This technique is effective, it simply requires discipline:
- from…
- from the participants who must be aware that if they have been called to the meeting, it is to demand that they act


And there, hop! You land with an enormous truth, without a minimum of discipline there is no construction of anything that is possible ... We must unfortunately note, that it is a virtue which disappears, and even worse which is completely decried currently.

… PS: I modified 5 negations or double negations before posting this answer.


Double negations are an expression of the general ill-being of humans on this planet, your awareness is for me very significant, continue like this you interest me! (without any notion of judgment!)

Christophe says:

Yes money is important in our societies because it is a means of realization but it surely should not be a goal of life: working to increase your bank account is bullshit but I admit that it actually bandaging more than one ...


To be precise, we should say: "Money is only a means" et this is the notion that has long been lost by people, who see money as an outcome.

But the one who thinks that it is realistic to "change the world" without money, therefore without material means, is either a very great mind (1 in 1 billion?) Or a big naive ...


There is probably more Being realized than you think on this earth, but they remain discreet for the moment ... Waiting for their time probably ...

Well the original text lacks clarity ...


I would tend to take another option, you may have read a little too fast :?

Ahmed says:

Thus, enrichment as self-fulfillment cannot coexist with pecuniary enrichment from a methodological point of view.

If it's about changing the world for the better… to get there.


Is it not possible to imagine that certain spirits are sufficiently incorruptible, so that even a mountain of gold does not interest them ...


Elec says:

There is in my opinion (to each his own ...) no contradiction between intellectual, spiritual enrichment and material enrichment.


+1 I share this opinion (subject to incorruptibility)


"To a study (2006) on the question" Is the market economy the best economic system? ",…
Such a low score, it is shameful!
Do they prefer a planned economy to those who answered no or who abstained?


There however I think it is another point of view!
I have the impression that the French have historically been one step ahead of the Americans and this gives them an enormous advantage: they have understood - as Citro rightly says - that you can imagine a life as full and rich without introducing the concept of money in the sense of wealth!


Imagine a positive world, where each building stores carbon and produces more energy than it consumes ... a world where each neighborhood regenerates its water resources, where each wall clears the atmosphere ... a world where each landscape restores the diversity of living things ... a world where road networks, wastelands, deserts produce green fuels for all ... A world where 6,5 billion people participate in positive growth, where each economic activity creates skilled jobs, by restoring and enriching the ecological capital of humanity.


Here I find Elec in all its splendor, and I applaud with both hands, this is exactly what I have always thought of!


Capt_Maloche says:

The problem with the market economy is that it is based on "always more", by which means growth, and that our world cannot bear such "pressure".


This is the very reason why is breaking the figure, remember the little quote "he who believes that exponential growth can continue indefinitely in a finite world is crazy, or ... An economist" . What clairvoyance is it not? but who heard this sentence?



result: there are too many of us


I do not believe that this is completely true either, too numerous for the model that we have implemented yes.
Question: should demography be regulated?


All the dictators in the world did it before you proposed it! But I don't think this is really a solution.

We will soon be 9 billion according to INED, the slightest natural disaster ... than humanly.


This is exactly what will happen "probably" (knowingly put in quotes) since in reality ... it has already started ...

On a global scale, what is the economy worth? nothing, it's our survival we're talking about.


Here we can only applaud again, I follow you 100%!

Freedom, yes, but not if it sends us into the wall, if not, what is the use of our leaders? Ah yes, it's true, they are puppets ...


No comment!

Citro says:

Well, I answered "yes" but considering that the enrichment is not only considered on its only FINNANCIAL aspect ...

Personally, having the leisure to learn, to exchange, and to communicate is an enrichment.

For that I am very attached to the concept of WORKER LESS that refuses to integrate our president. I am very attached to the idea of ​​working better to share, share and save.


+10 Great Gods that it is a pleasure to read things so sweet to the eyes! :D
As often, I could have written it myself, but you say it so much better :D :D :D

Sorry to have been so long, but I preferred to make a summary rather than forcing the individual to go back ...

Greetings to all from Lietseu :P
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by Elec » 14/02/09, 00:19

Internet user comment:

"I highly recommend the site visit TED, which are one of the many showcases of American positivism. It's much less anxiety-provoking than the French press and it's very effective against skeptiscism, even cynicism, which I fear will lead France to excess. "

http://pisani.blog.lemonde.fr/2009/02/0 ... /#comments


Therapy proposed to get out of the disaster, a pathology that affects a growing portion of French people:

- stop watching the news from TF1 and France2 (reports on this or that news item have no interest)
- read the foreign press
- only read the French press in the event of major French innovation (for example Michelin's active wheel) and positive events (for example the inauguration of the city of the future in Sophia Antipolis yesterday)
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by Capt_Maloche » 14/02/09, 00:40

He is right, the news at 20 p.m. all channels combined are depressing, wondering if it is not done on purpose

Except 13 p.m. by Jean Pierre Pernaut

About that, I highly recommend you reading the 1984 book by Georges Orwell, written in 1945/50 http://www.amazon.fr/1984-George-Orwell/dp/207036822X
The content from page 245 (theory and practice of oligarchic collectivism) is an example of history and lucidity on the control of the people by body and mind, terrible, real and very enriching for the understanding of the ulterior rules from the political world;

or how to stay in power and make people think that they are free
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by elephant » 14/02/09, 17:13

Maloche said:

He is right, the news at 20 p.m. all channels combined are depressing, wondering if it is not done on purpose


You surprise me : Mrgreen: misfortune is the bottom of trade of the journalists of information, it is what makes that one watches them regularly, be careful, they would point to the chomnu! : Mrgreen:
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by Lietseu » 14/02/09, 17:22

+1 elephant & Maloche!

Personally, I watch 3 or 4 news programs per day (I have time)

And the differences are huge between them!

Unfortunately and obviously the bad news is still in the news ...

Which corresponds well to the assertion of a journalist in the 70s "the truth does not interest us, only the sensational interests us!"

QED

Keep in mind that television is also a means of holding you by the collar and leading you where you want to be taken… so you see!
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by Ahmed » 14/02/09, 20:13

There are so many subjects covered, all of which deserve further development, that I will limit myself first to a remark by Lietseu:
Ahmed says:

Quote:
Thus, enrichment as self-fulfillment cannot coexist with pecuniary enrichment from a methodological point of view.

If it's about changing the world for the better… to get there.


Is it not possible to imagine that certain spirits are sufficiently incorruptible, so that even a mountain of gold does not interest them ...


Elec says:

Quote:
There is in my opinion (to each his own ...) no contradiction between intellectual, spiritual enrichment and material enrichment.


+1 I share this opinion (subject to incorruptibility)

How to imagine someone perfectly incorruptible and disinterested, who would be at the same time attracted by the greed for profit?

Much higher, Elec opposes the two communist ideologies and capitalism.
These two positions have crystallized opinions for a century (and even more, if we consider that communism existed long before being embodied in a country). It is true that in form and in certain aspects, everything opposes them, however, in substance, what was Soviet communism if not state capitalism?

To come back to liberalism, it is an "untraceable" system, since it never existed. At least never in the forms claimed by its theorists. In this sense, it is a utopia.

What is real is the use made of it by the dominant countries which advocate free trade when it is favorable to them and protectionism when it suits them.

How can we believe that an ideal based on greed and encouragement can give good results?
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by Elec » 14/02/09, 20:25

Ahmed,

Thank you for sharing this reflection, I find it interesting.
We come to wonder about the nature of man.

Is man by nature altruistic?
I think that what makes the richness of humanity is its diversity. Humanity is not uniform and only made up of an army of altruistic eco-thinkers. In my opinion, it is better to embrace humanity as it is rather than as we would like it to be if our objective is to develop a strategy aimed at building a sustainable society. So my approach is "Be positive, the solutions exist". But also "Be realistic: we will not change humanity". It will remain plural.

Another question:

Can we think of others if we don't also think of ourselves?

We are each part of humanity but we also carry humanity within us.
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