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by Janic » 19/02/13, 08:51

cuicui hello
Regarding the fear of death, I am not sure that it is a universal constant. It is often due to unbearable unconscious memories linked to the danger of dying at the beginning of our life (during fetal life for example). Once these memories are found and removed, the prospect of dying is much less fearful.
The fear of death is part of the natural instinct for survival and therefore goes well beyond the fetal stage. But according to Wiki, it is a search for "relative" immortality by the development of various techniques which is already verified by transplants of all kinds, assistance at birth, prostheses of all kinds ( this is not a value judgment but a simple observation). It is also a continuity of the "religious" hope of reincarnation or resurrection which is also a form of future immortality whereas generally atheistic materialism offers only one chance of life and therefore of the possibility of benefit ".
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by Cuicui » 19/02/13, 10:27

Janic wrote: The fear of death is part of the natural instinct for survival and therefore largely beyond the fetal stage.
I made a distinction between the natural survival instinct of all living things and the irrational fear of dying due to ancient panics.
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by sen-no-sen » 01/01/15, 18:35

An interesting article from Jean-Paul Baquiast on "postbiology":



Towards a post-biological approach to evolution

By post-biological, we mean here an evolution which would continue to interest a large number of biological organisms or genes of biological origin, but associated with processes or organisms pertaining to genetically modified or artificial life, artificial intelligence adaptive and increasingly autonomous robotics. We will end up with so-called augmented animals or humans, with artificial brains and, as Alain Cardon has long since studied, with artificial consciousnesses animating artificial organisms that can only keep distant relationships with humans. Note that the biologists who authored the previous book barely alluded to or ignored this research. This is undoubtedly an effect of what is called disciplinary confinement.

On the other hand, it has always been in the editorial heart of our site to report the continuous and accelerated progress taking place in the various scientific and technological fields interested in this research. We also encouraged readers to reflect on the economic, political and philosophical consequences of such work. Some are publicly documented by university researchers, but others, many more, are now covered by defense secrecy. In other words, they are put at the service of small minorities of humans having military and economic powers, leading to the capacity to dominate by the constraint of very large majorities of humans now enslaved.

In the continuation of these unequal developments, the concepts of transhumans or post-humans have become very popular today. They are the subject of many debates. It must be understood, however, that access to post-humanism will remain the privileges of the dominant minorities mentioned above. This for two reasons, on the one hand because this access will require considerable economic means, beyond the reach of everything from humans. On the one hand and just as much because they will be instruments of power and those who have power do not share it.

In parallel, therefore, with the emergence of post-human biological organisms, there will remain innumerable numbers of populations belonging to the traditional human. These will bear the brunt of the consequences of climate change and the innumerable rarities forecast for the end of the century. It will quickly be tempting then to qualify the poorest among them as subhumans, especially if they take refuge in different forms of violence. Indeed, thus qualified and rejected, they will become more and more.

The different forms of augmented and artificial life mentioned here will also affect traditional biological organisms, whether they are microorganisms or the most complex forms of the animal and plant worlds. As far as they are concerned, the Darwinian competition for survival will obviously continue to take place. We can predict that victorious will emerge from the various viral or bacterial species present on Earth since the few billion years during which life has developed. On the contrary, there is every reason to fear that most complex species cannot adapt spontaneously, due to lack of time and in the face of the multiple aggressions they will undergo.

In the best of cases, they will only survive in zoos and museums, as well as in the form of gene banks supposed to be able to repopulate the Earth after the great extinctions to mark what are now called the ultimate forms of the Anthropocene.

Let us recall that we have proposed to use the term of bioanthropotechnical systems to designate the sustainable and evolutionary symbiosis having been established since the appearance of the first tools in the time of the Australopithecines, and culminating today with the explosion of technologies of the artificial that we just mentioned. This term is not only there to create an original concept for free. We have explained it in various articles and works (3). We intend to publish soon on this site, in free access, a small essay updating the concept of bio-anthropotechnic complex, both in terms of the evolution of theories and practices interesting the biological component of these complexes as the evolution of associated technologies.

http://philoscience.over-blog.com/2014/12/nouvelles-theories-sur-l-evolution-du-post-genetique-au-post-biologique.html

All of this exudes optimism!
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by Obamot » 01/01/15, 19:23

Wi, wi, wi ... indeed we will soon take ourselves for god (ah it's already done, damn ...).

And if we were already able to even "increase" the human species as it is and without artefacts ... it would already save us a lot of money without being captive of an "after-sales service"!

( : Mrgreen: )

(the bleating mass is not even yet able to realize in time, how it is conducted by boat ...)
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by Ahmed » 01/01/15, 19:32

The survival instinct tends to preserve the physical integrity of living beings, this does not imply an awareness of death, unlike humans.
For the latter, death and the fears linked to it are confused in two distinct phenomena: death as a passage and death as a state.
It was only a question of the second aspect; death has no real escape, but a flight into the imagination is a possible remedy and that is what religions offer with conditional beyond.
The promise of eternity in transhumanism remedies a deficiency of the religion of value: until now, capitalism, entirely turned towards "life" reduced to production / destruction, did everything possible to evacuate an idea of ​​death, conceptually antithetical to the infinite accumulation of value (death is the absolute stopping point of all accumulation and the negation of its validity).
Despite its lack of realism, this promise is a logical necessity for this system.


In the very interesting analysis of Basquiat, he writes these lines:
It will quickly be tempting then to describe the poorest among them as subhumans, especially if they take refuge in different forms of violence. Indeed, thus qualified and rejected, they will become more and more.

As I have shown, this process is already at work in the peripheral regions of capitalism: "terrorists, under humans, same fight!" : Mrgreen:
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by sen-no-sen » 01/01/15, 21:03

Ahmed wrote:The promise of eternity in transhumanism remedies a deficiency of the religion of value: until now, capitalism, entirely turned towards "life" reduced to production / destruction, did everything possible to evacuate an idea of ​​death, conceptually antithetical to the infinite accumulation of value (death is the absolute stopping point of all accumulation and the negation of its validity).
Despite its lack of realism, this promise is a logical necessity for this system.


Transhumanism is not immune to messianic contamination, the messiah here being characterized by the promise of immortality in a technological form ... in line with the exponential economic system turned towards unlimited growth supposed to bring prosperity and "enjoyment" in consumption "...



As I have shown, this process is already at work in the peripheral regions of capitalism: "terrorists, under humans, same fight!"


Indeed!
The fractal scale invariance process is at work in all areas, so it is logical that it applies even in the event of a major evolutionary change.
Note also that the natural selection process will apply regardless of the technological level reached.
In short, fractal and natural selection constitute the meta-principles of our universe!

Also note:
We can predict that victorious will emerge from the various viral or bacterial species present on Earth since the few billion years during which life has developed.


This is in line with H. Bloom's predictions on the fight between human and viral / bacterial superorganisms (Bloom et Baquiast know each other), a real ontological shock to come, which could also benefit the "system".
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by Ahmed » 01/01/15, 21:53

Transhumanism is not immune to messianic contamination, the messiah here being characterized by the promise of immortality in a technological form ... in line with the exponential economic system turned towards unlimited growth supposed to bring prosperity and "enjoyment" in consumption "...

Yes, therein lies the rebalancing of the religion of value, which for want of being able to do as well as traditional religions on this precise point, was reduced to spreading a modest veil over death and to intensifying and accelerate certain attributes of life.

Regarding the shock with viruses, the ground is well prepared since the generalization of antibiotic therapies leave us without much recourse against the appearance of new strains ...
Let us remember that the great pandemics of the past, and even fairly recent ones, have died out by themselves, without the intervention of science.
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by Janic » 02/01/15, 08:30

Ahmed hello
The survival instinct tends to preserve the physical integrity of living beings, this does not imply an awareness of death, unlike humans.

Soft! this supposition of the consciousness of death related to the human only is only a view of the mind (of superiority rather than of difference) of the human precisely. A resurgence of "religious" philosophy on the special status of the human "race"
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by Ahmed » 02/01/15, 12:07

This consciousness would be difficult to establish for animals, which does not prove, in fact, its absence ...
However, it is the imagination that allows a projection towards the future and everything seems to indicate that the perception of animals is limited to a fairly close future.
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by Janic » 02/01/15, 17:33

the problem comes from the fact that the human wants to present himself as the reference in all matters, this one included, and the imagination of humans is probably what leads him to his own disappearance.
At most, we can and must consider that our "values" are not the same.
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