Wind standing against wind turbines on an industrial scale

[pb2487]

Ah OK. ... no no Don't worry, I'm independent. I am only interested enough in the climate and energy issues which, it seems to me, will determine the future of the West and of the rest of the world as well. Of course, my words are devoid of demagoguery, bias, politically correct. I stick to the harsh reality of the analyzes and figures that our scientists, researchers and experts give us without trying to argue.

[Christophe]

Like me then

[Rulian]

Of course, my words are devoid of demagoguery, bias, politically correct. I stick to the harsh reality of the analyzes and figures that our scientists, researchers and experts give us without trying to argue.

Is that so ? No kidding ?!?

Not seen the figures ... Nor the reports ...
We would like references rather than assertions.

Whether you say that a mini-wind turbine in the garden or a few PV can cover household consumption leaves me mocking your work of reading "analyzes and figures that our scientists, researchers and experts".

Short...

[pb2487]

Whether you say that a mini-wind turbine in the garden or a few PV can cover household consumption leaves me mocking your work of reading "analyzes and figures that our scientists, researchers and experts".

Me it is figures that I read and for some calculated with in particular a family member, doctor in physics working at the CEA. (source: manicore, ademe, Wikipedia or other various scientific and technical articles)
I agree that, when we see the current development of the problem that we are going to take in full face, my arguments are more difficult to accept than others. I just keep a critical mind on things based on the assumption that any argument that our nature would believe more easily is not necessarily the best. Because in the end, when faced with a solution, there are always as many arguments for and as arguments against if one seeks well then what to believe ... Why would the opinion of some be better than the opinion others. Just because you don't believe in a solution does not mean you deny, ignore, or downplay it.

[Woodcutter]

[...] Me it is figures which I read and for some calculated with in particular a family member, doctor in physics working at the CEA. (source: manicore, ademe, Wikipedia or other various scientific and technical articles) [...]

We already told you that the page of the Jancovici site concerning wind power was not up to date at all, why are you putting it out again as a "reference"?

[pb2487]

We already told you that the page of the Jancovici site concerning wind power was not up to date at all, why are you putting it out again as a "reference"?

Because I don't have to believe you, I prefer to believe him and other rational scientists. But this is only my opinion. I find that the debates of this site are mainly oriented: FOR everything that is AGAINST, pro-eco etc ... and it is not the green ones like you and me who will find the solutions to the problems of tomorrow, they do not don't have the skills. Why will the truth be there, rather than elsewhere? it's too demagogic for me without wanting to insult anyone, of course.

[Woodcutter]

It is not worth basking with these types of comments:

[...] I stick to the harsh reality of the analyzes and figures that our scientists, researchers and experts give us without trying to argue.

To then refer to obsolete elements ...

I respect a lot what Janco says and does, but clearly his page on wind power lacks an update, so this is not a reference.

[pb2487]

There is no need to binge with this type of comments

Thank you, nice

I respect a lot what Janco says and does, but clearly his page on wind power lacks an update, so this is not a reference.

So be it, but he is still of the same opinion today and he is not alone.
But it is true that only "reference" is: any argument that goes in the direction of what you believe in.

For me, the paradox is:
The sun sends us enough energy on earth to provide all of our current and future needs in a large and sustainable way.
Moreover, almost all of the energy that we know how to exploit today is of solar origin apart from geothermal energy, nuclear power and the tide. PV, wind, coal, oil, wood, etc ... all this is directly or indirectly from solar.
Only, compared to our current needs, we are not able to control this energy efficiently and especially to store it (maybe one day).
It is only nature, after millions of years, which has succeeded in doing it for us and unfortunately, in one or two hundred years, we will soon have all consumed (oil, coal, gas).
But provided that we have exhausted our resources and changed the climate, there is no point in believing that there is a quick fix for energy production, the solution is in reducing consumption, everything else is without common measurement with current and future needs.
Otherwise, we can believe and hope in everything, it is allowed ...

All your arguments always go in the same direction and that's why it offends me. You (not all) make fun of arguments or articles (ex: nutritive values ​​of organic ...) which say the opposite and often distort mine (there is only to see the history on intensive agriculture by example). I find that it lacks critical thinking and in addition if we go further in the reasoning, it implies that the miracle solution (s) are there. This would mean that they are not exploited just because of political bad will or an industrial plot. There, I find it easy even if I am not so naive as to imagine that there are no plots in this rotten world. I believe that the solutions are not in the denunciations of this or that dominant entity. If the solution (or part) was in wind power for example then the wind turbine manufacturers would also make immoral profits. I don't like to let myself go into this kind of controversy, that's what humanity has been doing since it existed (find controversial subjects and fight) and it doesn't evolve. Otherwise, there is no debate, the goal is only to consolidate these ideas and reject those of others.

Well I still expect a boycott or a shield raising by writing this, I know that it is not politically-correct but I take the risk. You can find me moralizing but I do not pretend to be the wisest of the wise. I'm just trying to understand.

Hope to read you ...

[Woodcutter]

There is no need to binge with this type of comments

Thank you, nice

Take advantage! It's free...

I respect a lot what Janco says and does, but clearly his page on wind power lacks an update, so this is not a reference.

So be it, but he is still of the same opinion today and he is not alone.

Did he tell you that last night?

But it is true that only "reference" is: any argument that goes in the direction of what you believe in.

If you say so...

[...] However, because we have exhausted our resources and changed the climate, there is no point in believing that there is a quick fix for energy production, the solution is in reducing consumption, everything else is out of step with current and future needs.
Otherwise, we can believe and hope in everything, it is allowed ...

Who believes there is a quick fix? You with your ITER or me (and the others) who keep telling you that wind power is not LA solution but represents A PART of the future solution ... (solution for which the reduction of consumption is essential, it is also said -almost- all here ...)

I know your stratagem very well, it has been used by all the trolls who have been here before you: do not answer when they are stuck, distort the words of the interlocutors, start on "psycho-metaphysical-philosophical-etc ... . ", playing the victim, ...

You (not all) make fun of arguments or articles (ex: nutritive values ​​of organic ...) which say the opposite and often distort mine (there is only to see the history on intensive agriculture by example). [...]

The history of organic shows the ridiculous argumentation of anti-organic, especially.

But for this subject as for many others, as soon as you "get stuck" (that is to say that you can clearly no longer defend your boiling point ...) you disappear ...

If that's fun, keep going. But you get tiring in the long run, and I think I'll soon be tired of always repeating the same things.

[pb2487]

he was used by all the trolls who passed here before you

What do you call a troll? someone who is not exactly the same opinion as you?