Reform of labor law: the left-impoverishes workers?

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Re: Reform of labor law: does the left impoverish workers?




by chatelot16 » 03/03/16, 13:21

Gaston wrote:And finally, chatelot16, you are rather favorable to this bill or not (or you do not care ...) :?:


I don't care because the labor code is so bad that it blocks everything, and what we hear about this new law only changes details

for a future business I see only one solution! avoid employee status to avoid the labor code

the current tarvail code is falsely protective ... complicating the dismissal does not protect the employee when it prevents hiring and produces unemployment

to authorize the dismissal with a calculation on a fall in turnover is stupid ... still more complexity

my way of seeing it is not to prohibit dismissal, it is to give rights to the worker who has given his work to a company for years: the cessation of work because there is lack of work should not be an end of relationship with the company ... a reduction in working time can be better than a dismissal

a lot of partial unemployment would cost less to the state, than some who work too much to the point of wearing out their health and others with long-term unemployment who are also sick

I have no hope that the current government can do something good ... just wait for it to pass while waiting for the next one, and with little hope that the next one will work miracles because of our failed democracy whose method of election is ineffective in bringing competent people closer to power

to move forward you have to invent a new method of democracy that promotes competence, and put this democracy into practice in a business big enough to get results
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by Christophe » 03/03/16, 13:37

raymon wrote:in final I was the best in computer science now it makes me sweat not understand quote.


It's the quotes button (I said tremas in another message ... mea culpa) at the top right of each message ... after it's exactly like the old one forum!

You'll end up getting there!
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by Christophe » 03/03/16, 13:52

chatelot16 wrote:build housing to avoid shortages and lower the price of rent ... and reduce wages by reducing this huge expense in housing


A) Vacant housing there are millions in France ... but there are also millions of poorly housed (unhealthy, energy strainers ...) .. no way to find the adequacy on rents often too expensive compared to the budget of people ... and owners who are too unsure (currently renting in the Paris region is just crazy ... better be a couple of officials to have a chance of being selected!)

B) I have thought for a long time that the government is complicit in the housing shortage: it drives up prices, rents ... and all these are tax entries! The State prefers to receive VAT for new housing at € 300 ("speculative" price) rather than € 000 ("real price) ... ditto for registration fees at% of the sale price , for rents taxed as income on individuals, for the taxation of commissions from real estate agencies and real estate developers ... etc etc ...

The average cost of the housing charge of a family's budget (whether for rent or mortgage repayment) has roughly multiplied by 3 from the 80s to now

In other words: today you have to work 3 times longer to pay for your accommodation than in the 80s ... while having a roof over your head is a basic necessity!

Ah yes the banks are also accomplices: in the 80s a mortgage was 8 to 12 years ... now rather 20 to 40 years ... (in Switzerland we see mortgage loans deported to children at 50! !).

How much more interest between a 12-year credit and a 30-year credit in your opinion?

It would be interesting to compare the tax inputs related to real estate now compared to the 80s ... not easy to find ...

C) Not knowing that this policy of voluntary shortage of real estate is not linked to the repayment of the public debt ... must find

ps: I remember a painting by Jean Marc Jancovici, still in Francs so it dates: the activity that creates the most added value per hour of work are ... real estate agents and developers ... 3 to 4 times more than the tankers if my memory serves me right ... on the other hand the ranking did not take into account the traders ...
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by chatelot16 » 03/03/16, 20:22

Christophe wrote:
raymon wrote:in final I was the best in computer science now it makes me sweat not understand quote.


It's the quotes button (I said tremas in another message ... mea culpa) at the top right of each message ... after it's exactly like the old one forum!

You'll end up getting there!

this is why I preferred another style where all the buttons had names in french, which we could repeat to explain ... with the button only graphic it is harder to explain

my preference for this style which is no longer available had nothing to do with its aesthetics ... it was just the preference for french rather than drawing for illiterate
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by Christophe » 04/03/16, 14:09

I know and you are right, but once the learning phase is over, the "conceptual" web 2.0 version is more enjoyable!
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by Gaston » 04/03/16, 15:28

The petition is approaching a million signatures :!:

At the current speed, it will probably reach it before tomorrow.
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by Christophe » 04/03/16, 16:04

There are still more than 20 million workers to convince ... in the end, that does not make up a large proportion of the workers who sign ...

Finally, as with any current election, finally! The democracy? mouhahaha :)
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by chatelot16 » 04/03/16, 20:08

anyway this president and this government is dead ... he can do nothing more until the next

it's sad ! a president who does nothing at the beginning because he has no experience, and who does nothing at the end because the end is coming

when a plumber starts a job and turns out to be incompetent to do it, we kick him out in the ass! when a president campaigns to be elected and turns out to be as incompetent as a liar there is no sanction: and the precedent having been almost as bad seems to want to represent himself ... he will end up having the pen ...

the fixed duration 7 then 5 years is stupid ... if by chance we had a good president it would be necessary to keep it as long as possible so as not to waste time in election ... and when there is a draw, it must be fired immediately to avoid losing 5 years in the country!
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by Christophe » 04/03/16, 20:26

chatelot16 wrote:the fixed duration 7 then 5 years is stupid ... if by chance we had a good president it would be necessary to keep it as long as possible so as not to waste time in election ... and when there is a draw, it must be fired immediately to avoid losing 5 years in the country!


I like your reasoning sometimes ... : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy:
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by Christophe » 09/03/16, 20:16

Small press review of the action day against labor reform:

19:35 - Some 224.000 people demonstrated in France against the proposed reform of labor law, according to an estimate by the Ministry of the Interior, while the unions have identified between 400.000 and 500.000 demonstrators.


View of France:
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2 ... _3224.html
http://www.capital.fr/a-la-une/actualit ... il-1107262

View of Belgium:
http://www.lesoir.be/1144759/article/ac ... ale-direct
http://trends.levif.be/economie/politiq ... 76477.html

Day especially visibly followed by ... students and high school students ...
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