Ecological planning on 10 years
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Economics wrote:There is a blank page that he asks environmentalists from all sides to fill out. Are you going to stone him?
Well I call it "recovery" but it's not bad ... others would call it exploitation ...
nlc wrote:Ah, I'm glad to read this!
Well (twice) it seems to me that I never really showed sympathy for the (political) left, did I? To be against sarko is not necessarily to be on the left ...
Besides, what do you think of sarko 18 months later?
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Christophe wrote:Besides, what do you think of sarko 18 months later?
A lot of things that I don't adhere to, like a lot
Ecology should not have to do with politics! Ecology should be everyone's concern. And ecology is absolutely not incompatible with "capitalism". We can very well make a profit while respecting the planet and nature.
That said, I am from the right and yet I am fully committed to decreasing and I am not walking at all in the vicious cycle of consumption.
The extreme right / right / left / extreme left partitioning has always inflated me, to tell the truth my opinions are located everywhere, so how to do it !! ???
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Far be it from me to catalog you as much as you don't know each other.Christine wrote:I'm not "against" or "for" the Cgt - it's extraordinary how quickly we are cataloged!
My goal was simply to recall that the CGT is in a role of denunciation and "surveillance". It is part of the counter-powers and not "powers" as are politicians.
I think there are selfish people on both sides but the problem is often the temptation (often implemented by our policies) to stigmatize one population compared to another. I totally agree that it is hardly acceptable that TGV drivers always have the coal premium and that they always benefit from an early retirement (all the more so that they start a new Freelance driver career in the Benelux). The problem is that we put everyone in the same basket. In all the reports, in all the debates that I have seen, at no time have we talked about the personnel who are on the tracks 365 days a year, whether they wet, sell or snow to inspect / repair the tracks (in fact ensuring our safety). Them, maybe their status is not stolen.So yes, maybe their ideology is anachronistic, surely there are dirty idiots who take the opportunity to go and bellow in loudspeakers and keep their skills, even if it is to the detriment of other workers.
I have a friend who works at EDF (Entreprise De Fainéants ) in the RTE branch as Lignard. Here too, whether it gets wet, sells or snows, they must repair the installations. It is true that in summer it is nice to barbecue at the bottom of the truck in the middle of nature but when it comes to eating or changing in the truck in winter, it is much less fun. You should also know that they are at the hotel three quarters of the year, not easy for family life either ....
So what I criticize our politicians for is the way they want to create camps (at the same time, it's divide and conquer better) because immediately we have everyone on the street.
Strangely, we have not heard of the reform of the special regimes for elected officials which is one of the most loss-making (overall for 1 paid, they are touching or will touch 6). When you want to give lessons, it's not bad to start with yourself right?
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Well I call it "recovery" but it's not bad ... others would call it exploitation ...
Obviously, if taking the bull by the horns is liable to "recovery" ... We no longer get out of it and we do nothing!
By the way, JLM's definition of "left" is that which says "the sovereign people on the left, the king's right of veto on the right". Well today, the king is no longer Louis XVI, but Marché 1er (and I find that he puts his veto too much in the face of the people of Switzerland!).
Doing politics is saying (and fighting) which way we want to move. Not wanting to integrate ecology into politics is therefore not giving it a chance.
Otherwise, here is the analysis of the PG on the European climate summit:
http://www.lepartidegauche.fr/index.php ... Itemid=121
Have a good day !
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C moa wrote:I have a friend who works at EDF (Entreprise De Fainéants ) in the RTE branch as Lignard. Here too, whether it gets wet, sells or snows, they must repair the installations. It is true that in summer it is nice to barbecue at the bottom of the truck in the middle of nature but when it comes to eating or changing in the truck in winter, it is much less fun. You should also know that they are at the hotel three quarters of the year, not easy for family life either ....
Just for information, how much does your friend affect (over the year, benefits in kind, summer camps with the eye included)? When does a disaster make how much per month? Wouldn't I be surprised if it affects 7000? 8000 € with overtime ...
Compare this to a truck driver who is just as distant from his family ... or a sailor ...
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Let's be clear, they are not unhappy at EDF but the debate focused more on the arduousness of the work than on the remuneration.Christophe wrote:Just for information, how much does your friend affect (over the year, benefits in kind, summer camps with the eye included)? When does a disaster make how much per month? Wouldn't I be surprised if it affects 7000? 8000 € with overtime ...
On this last point, I do not know his salary to the nearest cent but he has bac + 2, he is team leader so I think he must have a net base of between 1500 and 2000 € per month. Of course, we have to add the arduousness (10% in general), any penalties ...
Generally when you travel, you earn part of your salary above but this is not possible since they are never twice in the same place.
For the benefits in kind, they certainly have them (like many big groups, the banks also have a lot of holiday camps for example) but don't think that they double their salary with them.
For the coup 8000 € thanks to the hours sup Frankly !!
First, these kinds of weather-related problems usually don't last for months but "at best" weeks. Then it is normal that they get paid if they work overtime, right ?? FYI, not everything has paid them, a part must be recovered in day off. Finally, (especially should I say), there are laws to be observed. On working time, for example.
I would remind you that French law imposes 48 hours of weekly work maximum therefore (assuming that everything is paid to him) if we consider that a month = 4.5 weeks, we get: 8000 / (48 x 4.5) = 37 € NET / hour
I sincerely think that he would agree to have this hourly rate even with the increases, the overtime and all the everything but be sure that it is far from it ...
Ah, it's a right mentality to want to oppose one corporation against another that !!!Compare this to a truck driver who is just as distant from his family ... or a sailor ...
Sorry I couldn't resist !!!
More seriously, what annoyed me the most in pension reform in general and special plans in particular is that the hardship was not taken into account in the calculation of retirement.
This taking into account must obviously be done in a global manner based on predefined criteria. There is no logic in applying an early departure to an entire company or an entire corporation on the pretext that it is part of a certain collective agreement !!!
For me, there is no difference between an EDF lignard and a roofer. On the other hand, a block nurse or an emergency nurse who does the positions is not at all the same arduousness.
To speak with numbers, in my case, since I finished my studies late, I would normally work until the age of 70. Very clearly it will piss me off but at the end of my career I would probably have used my neurons more than my knees. On the other hand, whether a mason, a welder, a roofer or a tiler retires at 55, it does not bother me when you know that the life expectancy of workers is far below that of managers (respectively 65 and 75 years if I remember correctly).
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