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Madagascar ecological republic, a utopia?




by dede2002 » 13/10/13, 09:07

Hello everybody,

Madagascar probably makes you think of lemurs, the virgin forest full of still unknown species, etc.

For others, Madagascar is reminiscent of the tons of rare metals and barrels of oil they would like to exploit for cheap.

The multinational mining industries have already shown their nuisance capacities, and their tendency to leave only crumbs to locals (estimate: less than 1% of turnover goes to the State.)


In exactly 2 weeks a presidential election should take place, orchestrated by what is called "the international community" which has placed its foals there.

But there is a lady, the founder of the Malagasy green party, who is a candidate and who is popular!

link of the day:

http://www.midi-madagasikara.mg/

What would happen if she were elected?

Will the Madagascans manage to face the multinationals?

A little reading for those interested, the analysis also applies to other mining industries, titanium and cobalt among others.

http://www.lesafriques.com/relations-in ... leid=38326

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by dede2002 » 13/10/13, 11:50

I would like to debate with you a subject that seems to concern us:

This race for rare metals, which are often used in high-tech products sometimes with an ecological vocation, so that the wealthy can have electric bikes or other very comfortable objects.

While in some cases, the owners of said material are countries that the media like to call "the world's poorest".

(According to Atlaseco 1994, energy consumption of Madagascans 300 g. EP per day and per person, including wood *)

And since we say it, it does not improve!

I would be for a label, like that exists for wood or fish, which guarantees that the elements contained in the material did not contribute to impoverish the owners **, nor to destroy precious ecosystems (or worse, to feed wars ...).

Basically we can guarantee that the operation respects social and ecological criteria to be developed.

Is it on the agenda?

* 80% wood, 20% other. In Europe we subsidize wood energy, in Madagascar we criticize the use of charcoal ...

** As a priority, the residents closest to the place!
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by dede2002 » 13/10/13, 13:09

Some shady figures about a subject I have been following for a long time.

If I talk nonsense, you will react will not you :P

Toalagnaro ilmenite mine (Fort-Dauphin)

(keywords: rio-tinto, qmm, qit-fer)

For 20 years, the socialist government refused exploitation, considering the risks greater than the benefits. WWF has been there from the start.
Since opening up to capitalism, exploitation has been decided on "manu military".

On the menu: construction of a port, 35 million § loaned to the state by the IMF.
Annual payments recorded by the State: ~ 200 Euros / year.

Meanwhile, the state reimburses the 35 million, fishermen can no longer fish, the mangrove was killed by a concrete dam because the salt damaged the machines, the peasants demonstrated outside the meshed enclosure of the factory, and are dislodged by the army!

And from time to time, we pass the ointment by talking about debt cancellation.

Officials interviewed say they do all this to make white paint, do you believe it?
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by Ahmed » 13/10/13, 19:17

You write:
I will be for a label, as it exists for wood or fish ...

Do you really believe that a bogus label would change anything?
Do you really believe that it is enough that the destruction of nature (and of men) benefits the natives a little more for this to solve the basic problem?
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by dede2002 » 13/10/13, 20:04

Hi Ahmed,

I don't believe anything, I'm a little utopian ...

If it was up to me, I would leave the basement alone, there is enough to do on the surface!
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by Ahmed » 13/10/13, 21:24

Hello Old man !
There is no shortage of utopias, it will not be enough to oppose the reigning dystopia!
Hope is certainly a beautiful thing, but one that will never replace lucidity (which should not be confused with resignation!).
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by chatelot16 » 13/10/13, 22:02

no label will replace the skill!

a competent government must know how to use the resources of the subsoil for the benefit of its country ...

great ideas applied without competing give the absurdity of criticism of charcoal! it is an effective fuel for cooking food ... it is only the manufacture of charcoal by partial combustion of wood which is bad: if we make charcoal by pyrolysis, therefore effectively recovering all the wood energy, charcoal would be perfect

and those who criticize charcoal, what do they offer instead? butane bottles ???? it's worse but it turns the business

I know well the manufacture of charcoal by pyrolysis ... it was done in France in 1850 to make alcohol to burn called spirit of wood, the cahrbon de bois was only a byproduct ... it has disappeared with oil ... now the charcoal for barbecue is made by the archaic method of partial combustion which is a waste

with pyrolysis, we make twice as much coal with the same amount of wood, and we also make methanol, acetone, and other chemicals
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by Ahmed » 13/10/13, 22:33

Governance escaping corruption (it is in any case very illusory for a dominated country like Madagascar ...) will only shift the problem (it would still be progress!).

This is the illusion propagated by the Left Front which aims to put capitalism at the service of all, a fine example of nonsense!
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by dede2002 » 13/10/13, 22:36

Thank you Chatelot,

Charcoal is the most used fuel for cooking, especially in cities, in the countryside, dead wood is generally used.

It is an energy that is local and sustainable, if it can be improved it will be perfect.

Is pyrolysis a complicated process?

We can also recover gas during manufacturing, I don't know if it requires complicated infrastructure?

And of course you have to plant trees and manage them, which is already done but not enough.
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by dede2002 » 13/10/13, 23:11

Ahmed wrote:Governance escaping corruption (it is in any case very illusory for a dominated country like Madagascar ...) will only shift the problem (it would still be progress!).

This is the illusion propagated by the Left Front which aims to put capitalism at the service of all, a fine example of nonsense!
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Who dominated?

By those who finance the "big" candidates, with huge sums which exceed the state budget?
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