Ecology on France 2: the preachers of the apocalypse

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by Ahmed » 21/02/09, 09:59

Nature is hostile to man ... Certainly, but not that much, since not content with trying to survive, man has succeeded!
The current major problem is, if we accept to be content with an approximation, rather the opposite: the man (there, it is for short, it would be necessary to qualify, these generalizations are abusive) has become so much hostile to nature by dint of considering oneself as being outside of it, that he compromises his own survival. *

* And not that of nature which has seen others. This slogan which wants that it is necessary to "protect the planet" seems to me rather revealing of a certain repression: it would not be the man who would be threatened but only the earth!
Consequently, the efforts to be implemented to remedy them are of the order of morality and not that of simple survival: a fine example of blindness!
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by Christophe » 21/02/09, 10:08

Ahmed wrote:Nature is hostile to man ... Certainly, but not that much, since not content with trying to survive, man has succeeded!


Survive yes (thanks to our intelligence more than our physical resistance) but there are still a few tens of billions of men who did not survive ... this "natural selection" ... It is the most big genocide never known by humanity in fact!

This "selection" has been called into question for 100 to 200 years thanks to the incessant progress of science and medicine ...

In other words: it is no longer nature that dominates man but man who dominates nature, often forgetting that he is part of it...I think this behavior is a form of revenge in the collective unconscious of thousands of years of struggle... Sociologists or philosophers will surely know how to put a more appropriate end to this behavior.

But this domination may not continue forever ... just the depletion of natural energy resources will put a serious brake ...
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by Ahmed » 21/02/09, 10:36

Your first prase is ambiguous, in the long term, no one survives ...

Here, I'm going to quote, to please you :P :
In other words: it is no longer nature that dominates man but man who dominates nature, often forgetting that he is part of it ... I think this behavior is a form of revenge in the unconscious collective of thousands of years of struggle ...

It's true for homo occidentalus, but, as I said in my previous post, it is an excessive generalization: certain peoples function with nature and not in opposition to it and there is no will to dominate on their part.
Without renouncing the contribution of science and medicine, it would be good to integrate these considerations into our operating methods.
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by Christophe » 21/02/09, 10:44

Yes you are right I was obviously talking about diseases (natural I remember) or other health problems which shortened the lives of men much more than now thanks to modern medicine which is, by itself, a certain domination of man on the nature...

In short I think we understood each other even if it is difficult to talk about this subject without entering into eugenic considerations ... but natural selection is eugenics ... natural ...
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by Cuicui » 21/02/09, 16:57

By questioning the precautionary principle, these pro-GMO preachers actually want to lead us to the apocalypse.
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by netshaman » 21/02/09, 20:23

This program did not please me at all, it is pure propaganda for pro-GMOs.
The arguments cited are distressingly stiff.
When for example they talk about BT cotton saying that thanks to it the production is increased etc compared to that which is natural, they should go say that to the Indian peasants who are in misery because of that!
I do not know if you remember but there was a few years ago the famous case of BT cotton not keeping its promises.
The Indian peasants who invested in this cotton believing they were doing the business of the century quickly became disillusioned: yield lower than the natural variety, and zero resistance to parasites, quite the opposite of what was promised!
But it was not even alluded to in this documentary.
And without any contrary opinion having been able to express itself this "documentary" is worth nothing and is not credible except for the neuneux.
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