The universal basic income or income: operating debate

[Christophe]

Basic income or universal income is a societal idea far too important not to be the subject of a subject all by itself on this forum, she joined a little the idea of ​​the Social VAT by its operating mechanism.

Many times mentioned on different topics (do a search: search.php He did not have a dedicated subject yet, that's it.

To start, here are 2 very well done explanatory videos (depending on your time availability) ...

A) About 15 min conference:
https://www.econologie.com/telechargeme ... -bendahan/

B) Full documentary about 1h30:
https://www.econologie.com/telechargeme ... umentaire/

ps: other societal ideas here company-that-goes-wrong-and-ideas-solutions-SOCIETAL-in-video-t11182.html

[Christophe]

A) About 15 min conference:
http://vimeo.com/16999193

Superb video (I had not yet seen it fully) which is more interested in the relationship between "income and mental or moral motivation and happiness" than basic income!

The results of the studies cited are truly exceptional!

Why have not I ever been taught this? Why not taught in economics or business school?

Video to broadcast!

(and again thanks to bernardd for posting it on this forum)

[Cuicui]

Superb video (and thank you again to bernardd for posting it on this forum)

Exciting indeed. And which disintegrates well received ideas. To be widely distributed.

[Christophe]

I just tweet it!

Concepts to teach from the primary instead of propaganda of consumerist ideas shit!!!

[Ahmed]

The concept of "happiness" as it is apprehended at the beginning of the video is rather approximate, but hey, it is the vision of an economist! In addition, despite everything, it remains quite consistent ...

There would be an interesting parallel to the testimony cited in: https://www.econologie.com/forums/societe-qu ... 11182.html in which this person confronts his beforehand with the reality of ground. More than what he condemns, what seems striking to me is his naivety with respect to an earlier model which he accepts without reserve; model itself carefully heterogeneous mixing (and not by chance), under the veil of objectivity, hierarchical values, financial and moral: who does not see the incompatibility of these ingredients?
Who, a little more lucid (it's a luxury!) Does not see that his ideal contains in germ what he disapproves?

To return to our speaker, I note a contradiction at the end of his presentation: he explains that the really thankless tasks can however be performed for a very substantial salary since no one will be forced by necessity.
By this statement, he reintroduces the idea that he fights, CAD of the overvaluation of money and its role in the hierarchy and the functioning of society.

There are a lot of arguments in favor of guaranteed income, but also a few others to oppose it: the debate is just beginning and I would be remiss if I monopolized the word!

[Ahmed]

A little up!
It does not really seem to excite the crowds!

[sen-no-sen]

There are a lot of arguments in favor of guaranteed income, but also a few others to oppose it: the debate is just beginning and I would be remiss if I monopolized the word!

The guaranteed income seems to me a sweet reverie.
How many people would not be tempted to stop working? a lot!
While a large number of French people complain about assistantship, I do not think that such measures are really feasible.

On the other hand, other measures could seriously get people out of the shit ... such as granting loans without interest, for everyone.

[Flytox]

The guaranteed income seems to me a sweet reverie.
How many people would not be tempted to stop working? a lot!
While a large number of French people complain about assistantship, I do not think that such measures are really feasible.

Less utopian, a minimalist guaranteed income for those who undertake to take it easy as much as possible ("parasite" limit). A correct guaranteed income for those who know how to bring a benefit / "added value" "whatever" (to be defined) to the community.

[sen-no-sen]

Less utopian, a minimalist guaranteed income for those who undertake to take it easy as much as possible ("parasite" limit). A correct guaranteed income for those who know how to bring a benefit / "added value" "whatever" (to be defined) to the community.

A kind of RMI / RSA improve, somehow?
I do not see much interest in it except to confirm certain behaviors that are not necessarily advantageous for the community.

It would be wise to launch on an experimental basis a minimum additional income (+ 0% credits to equip themselves, and no taxes) to "neo-peasants" wishing to launch themselves advantageously in organic farming in neglected regions, in order, for example, to revitalize rural areas and de-urbanize cities.

The advantages would be many: development of a virtuous sector, return of the man to the Nature, fall of the unemployment and decrease of the demographic pressure in the cities (and thus decrease of the real estate pressure and therefore of the prices).

[Flytox]

It would be wise to launch on an experimental basis a minimum additional income (+ 0% credits to equip themselves, and no taxes) to "neo-peasants" wishing to launch themselves advantageously in organic farming in neglected regions, in order, for example, to revitalize rural areas and de-urbanize cities.

The advantages would be many: development of a virtuous sector, return of the man to the Nature, fall of the unemployment and decrease of the demographic pressure in the cities (and thus decrease of the real estate pressure and therefore of the prices).

The idea is good, but how many people, in a "hyper urbanized" population like ours, have the minimum knowledge, interest in the land. It has not been our culture for at least (2 or 3?) Generations.

It should also Awareness / train ....