Video of a "perpetual" spring motor

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Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor




by izentrop » 14/03/17, 09:42

Janic wrote:assuming that this spring and counterweight effect increases the rotation time of the steering wheel
No it is the loss of energy by friction of the blade that results.
In the first part of the video, the rotation stops after throwing it by hand. > too much friction loss.
izentrop wrote:From this moment he moves the weight on the spring and raises the machine that stops no longer and turns without slowing down.
> less weight in blade-cam contact> less friction> no longer stops.
Janic wrote:and concealed where? for your evidence is not exactly so!
I thought I was clear, but hey, I understand that what is obvious to someone who has made his career as an electrical technician, is not for a non handyman.
  1. The "funny" shows that a fan found on the towers of old discarded PCs, operating normally in 12 v, runs with 2 CR2016 / 3V button batteries, so 6 V, on condition of giving it a blow. thumb at startup.
    It also shows other stuff that is not used here, let's move on.
  2. The bearings are not as wide as the covers that conceals them
  3. The pulley has a screw that allows the move on the axis
  4. At the nose, there is room to house a fan motor without its blades and button cells
For next to nothing I bought a PC cooler support that plugs into USB. It has 3 5 V fans. I tested a fan powered at 3 V, it runs without flinching and would be sufficient for this type of demonstration, moreover "free energy videographers" know it well.
The single motor with its printed circuit board is 22 mm in diameter and 7 mm in thickness. It would fit well in the free space, 2 glue points and rolls my hen :P
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Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor




by Janic » 14/03/17, 11:17

I thought I was clear, but hey, I understand that what is obvious to someone who has made his career as an electrical technician, is not for a non handyman.
the non handyman in question has spent his whole career as head of BE in industrial mechanics and mechanical and electromechanical systems I have designed piles.
2.The bearings are not as wide as the covers that conceals them

it is partly correct, but a bearing is mounted on a fixed support which requires a cage and at least a snap ring.
3.The pulley has a screw that allows the move on the axis

The screw serves to make the steering wheel and the axle integral, its position on the shaft is therefore indifferent to its proper functioning.
4.A Nose view, there is room to house a fan motor without its blades and button cells

Except that a view of nose is not enough to decree evidence that does not appear on this video.
The single motor with its printed circuit board is 22 mm in diameter and 7 mm in thickness. It would fit well in the free space, 2 glue points and rolls my hen.

Except that this supposed addition is visible nowhere!
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Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor




by Gaston » 14/03/17, 11:52

Janic wrote:Except that this supposed addition is visible nowhere!
The fact that nothing is visible on a video also does not prove the absence of special effects (otherwise spaceships do exist: I saw them in the movies).

As this assembly is contrary to the known laws of mechanics, it would be up to the author to propose an explanation if it really “works”.

If it is only a story about an attempt that finally concludes that it is useless, then both clearly indicate ...
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Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor




by izentrop » 14/03/17, 12:16

Janic wrote:
I thought I was clear, but hey, I understand that what is obvious to someone who has made his career as an electrical technician, is not for a non handyman.
the non handyman in question has spent his whole career as head of BE in industrial mechanics and mechanical and electromechanical systems I have designed piles.
So I do not understand that the trickery does not jump at you : Shock: Finally, hands in grease, we feel better the action of the forces involved, even if we forgot the formulas.
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Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor




by Opale2sang » 14/03/17, 12:35

Hello, indeed remove the spring blade and add a counterweight and it will be better;).
Of course there is nothing perpetual in it, we replace a counterweight by a leaf spring which in theory with friction should slow down everything, there is probably a small engine hiding, or a discreet wind tunnel ...

Or maybe it's so well balanced that our "engine" can run for a while with the starting impulse without showing signs of fatigue for the few seconds it is running ...

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Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor




by Janic » 14/03/17, 14:03

So I do not understand that the trickery does not jump at you
there is no visible mechanical trickery and to assert something, without a priori, it is necessary to be able to prove it, in this domain as in so many others.
Where confusion can exist (it depends on what its author claims) it concerns the fact that a useful mechanical force, therefore a torque, at the output of a tree can be used. We must not confuse a gadget without concrete utility other than what it represents and a trickery. Example balls that collide whose only function is to show the dynamic effects of the system.

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there is surely[*] a small hidden engine, or a discreet wind tunnel ...
it is always a pity that a priori dominates in many cases because it does not correspond to the usually accepted criteria. With this type of speech we would still be in the middle ages.
[*] Surely, in French wants to indicate that it is sure, but in the circumstance that can not be affirmed. : roll:
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Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor




by izentrop » 14/03/17, 14:07

Hello,
Opale2sang wrote:Or maybe it's so well balanced that our "engine" can run for a while with the starting impulse without showing signs of fatigue for the few seconds it is running ...

Kind regards.
During 2 mn without any slowdown, I doubt it. The flywheel is not massive enough compared to friction.

Without the object under the eyes, we can only assume. Moreover, nobody has flinched but I stuck in my reasoning.
At 3 mn, he takes out his screwdriver to move the weight back towards its axis and it has the effect of increasing the pressure force on the cam and not the opposite, since the force is exerted from below upwards. As braking increases, the rotation should slow down even faster. The battery was only connected at this time.

All the more reason to validate the motor option.
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Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor




by Janic » 14/03/17, 14:24

Without the object under the eyes, we can only assume. Moreover, nobody has flinched but I stuck in my reasoning.
At 3 mn, he takes out his screwdriver to move the weight back towards its axis and it has the effect of increasing the pressure force on the cam and not the opposite, since the force is exerted from below upwards. As braking increases, the rotation should slow down even faster. The stack [u] has to be connected only at this time [/ u].

We can not on the one hand suppose that and then make a statement that contradicts it. "With if we put paris bottled"
Then, mechanically, the opposite of what you say happens in reality: Approaching the counterweight of the cam reduces friction, which is difficult to know is the rebound effect that drives the cam in rise and it is therefore a balance to find between position and effect because backward counterweight increases the friction of the downhill cam but at the same time the rebound.
the only way to be sure is to replicate the system!
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Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor




by izentrop » 14/03/17, 15:02

Janic wrote:Approaching the counterweight of the cam reduces the friction, which is difficult to know it is the rebound effect that drives the cam up and it is therefore a balance to be found between position and effect because back the counterweight increases the friction the cam down but at the same time the rebound.
the only way to be sure is to replicate the system!
As Gaston wrote, all you have to do is demonstrate it : Wink:
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Re: Video of a "perpetual" spring motor




by Ahmed » 14/03/17, 15:04

I am surprised that an umpteenth avatar of the perpetual movement arouses answers and even more that it gives rise to debate ... : roll:

In the famous illusion of "the woman cut in two", nothing allows to affirm that there are in reality two women in the box, except to be of an immeasurable naivety ... and there is little between this which is presented as a trick and which is a deception, if not the initial intentionality.

Here, things are clear: the spring, whatever the position of the weight which is only there to introduce a false technicality, does not provide more energy than it receives and each phase of friction of the cam on it slows down the movement (in addition to the lower rotational friction) => the deceleration should therefore be linear and rapid, which we do not notice => an energy other than that resulting from the initial impulse is therefore brought. A motor integrated into the axis constitutes a very probable hypothesis, since it is simple to produce and discreet; other tricks could possibly be used without it changing anything essential: the fallacy of the initial claim of this video.
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