It is not certain that this is a "scientific hoax" because it is not because current physical theories do not allow
to interpret experimental results that we must reject the reality of phenomena if they exist.
Let us not forget that it is the pioneering work of experimenters such as Faraday, Ampère, Gauss, Lenz, Oersted ... that allowed Maxwell to unify electricity and magnetism and to enunciate the laws of electromagnetism in 1865 .
So experimentation and open-mindedness have always allowed Science to move forward.
The question as to whether the EM-Drive is real or not will definitely be decided only when additional reproducible experiments eliminating all the possible spurious effects have been realized.
With regard to Coler 's inventions, the British secret service had considered the case sufficiently important, because of the interest shown by the German army, to devote a technical report to it (classified until 1979).
This study made it possible in particular to build a functional replica of Coler's magnetic device, even if it does not provide a consistent theoretical framework to explain the operation of this device (and of its more efficient version called "stromerzeuger"). A solid theory is indeed essential to master this type of technology, a theory that Coler and von Unruh lacked to move from the experimental stage to the industrial development stage, the success of the start-up of the device taking luck or the "happy". accident".
Particle physics has made it possible to draw up an inventory of elementary particles and to classify them in relation to their properties (mass, electric charge, spin ...) but does not give an answer on the origin of its properties, except for the mass with the field theory (boson) of Higgs which makes it possible to explain the origin of the mass of the nucleons (protons and neutrons) which constitute the essential mass of the atoms but not that of the electrons.
Current classical physics teaches us that an electron (considered as a point particle with a mass, an electric charge and a moment of spin), at rest with respect to a Galilean reference system, creates in every point of space an electrostatic potential proportional to its charge and inversely proportional to the distance separating this point from the center of the particle.
How could a material point (hence of zero volume) possess a mass and a charge? An electric field (which derives from a potential) is associated with energy. Where does this energy come from?
If we replace our punctual electron with a non-zero finite size structure (which gives meaning to its mass and its charge), in continuous interaction with the quantum vacuum, everything becomes clear: the electron appears in equilibrium with the vacuum: it absorbs energy radiated by the vacuum (in the whole frequency spectrum) and fights this same amount of energy in the form of progressive spherical waves (the overall energy balance of the process is therefore zero and the energy conserved) and if we add the contributions of all these radiated waves, we obtain a variation law having the same spatial dependence as the electrostatic potential.
In addition, quantum physics has raised an interesting dilemma: the wave-particle duality, in which an electron can behave like a wave or a material particle according to the type of experiment carried out.
The technologies associated with the exploitation of nuclear energy (fission and fusion) allow us today to achieve the conversion of matter into energy.
In this case, why can not we imagine that there are physical processes to discover that would allow us to convert energy into matter tomorrow?
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I completely agree.actinium89 wrote:It is not certain that this is a "scientific hoax" because it is not because current physical theories do not allow the interpretation of experimental results that one should reject the reality of the phenomena if they exist.
But first we must first verify that the phenomena exist and that the experimental results are correct.
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Gaston wrote:But first we must first verify that the phenomena exist and that the experimental results are correct.
+ 10!
Where are these results?
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and how ?actinium89 wrote: An electric field (which derives from a potential) is associated with energy.
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Hans Coler's investigation into British secret service's inventions is found in a report by 1946 (declassified in 1979).
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izentrop wrote:and how ?actinium89 wrote: An electric field (which derives from a potential) is associated with energy.
The electrostatic potential created by an electron at a point is proportional to e / r where e is the charge of the electron and r is the distance between that point and the position of the electron.
The electric field, equal to the opposite of the potential gradient, is proportional to e / r ^ 2
The volume density of electromagnetic energy of an electron at rest is proportional to the square of the electric field (cf. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89ner ... C3% A9TIC)
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The magnetic apparatus replicated by the British was more a device intended to illustrate the principle of operation of this type of apparatus that can deliver only a low voltage (12 V maximum according to Coler).
It was a more efficient device, built in 1937 and based on the same operating principle, called "Stromerzeuger", capable of producing up to 6 kW of energy, which most interested the British.
After the successful replication of the first device, they had asked Coler to build this device but Coler died of a heart attack before completing it.
The Chavascience investigation linked the Stromerzeuger to a patent, filed in France in 1920 by a Swedish, Robert Norrby, who provides a schematic representation of this device, absent from the British report.
It was a more efficient device, built in 1937 and based on the same operating principle, called "Stromerzeuger", capable of producing up to 6 kW of energy, which most interested the British.
After the successful replication of the first device, they had asked Coler to build this device but Coler died of a heart attack before completing it.
The Chavascience investigation linked the Stromerzeuger to a patent, filed in France in 1920 by a Swedish, Robert Norrby, who provides a schematic representation of this device, absent from the British report.
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actinium89 wrote:Hans Coler's investigation into British secret service's inventions is found in a report by 1946 (declassified in 1979).
This is not really a report of experimental studies (plus a kind of patent) but it starts to become interesting, I will study the document carefully ...
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actinium89 wrote:The Chavascience investigation linked the Stromerzeuger to a patent, filed in France in 1920 by a Swedish, Robert Norrby, who provides a schematic representation of this device, absent from the British report.
A patent is (unfortunately) not a proof of scientific functioning ... for example: dozens of perpetual movements have been patented ... But this patent still deserves to be looked into ...
And if the patents had existed at the time of Da Vinci, his helicopter with Archimedes screw would probably have been! Obviously this form of rotor does not work with a fluid as sparse as the air ... at the bottom it can make a fan but certainly not create sufficient lift ...
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actinium89 wrote:Hans Coler's investigation into British secret service's inventions is found in a report by 1946 (declassified in 1979).
If nobody remakes by giving convincing results it is good that no one believes in it and that it is worth nothing.
If we had to redo the experiments of all the fumitists or simply researchers who are wrong we would really waste his time.
Remember the so-called invention of the Rayon N.
and for Shawyer's EM drive I imagine that if he slammed the next, we would hear about his story again for the next 100 years in the forums Of this genre.
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