False: because EDF fillings must be blown up.
They know the production value independently of the injection and control the difference.
It is the non consumption meter.
Intractable.
Apart from taking at the source. On the panels.
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Apart from taking at the source. On the panels.
That's what I said, in low voltage, or before EDF sealing, which are where, precisely, not everywhere, with each connection of wires.
Relays make it possible to derive a controllable quantity, before measuring the production value, measured how, in the non-consumption counter, based on which model, since it is not consumed, (a priori on the theoretical I (V) , I not being taken).
What conditions decide on non consumption by EDF ??
I hate these systems where we are bound hand and foot, including the absurdity of integration in the roof, which made roofs pierced in some !!
I'm not ready to take this, with the added scam of shadows on the panels, which destroy production, and almost inevitable, for many, like me.
By doing well, and understanding their control system, even with CMOS you can take the desired proportion, by deceiving the system, at least on what comes out of the panels.
dedeleco wrote:Dede it's not possible to divert
why, when the meter refuses to let go of excess, it is detected and drifted automatically, with relays suitable for itself. ???
Just amplifiers, various resistors or CMOS for controlling I and relays on low voltage, to derive excess, in low voltage.
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Hi Plasmanu and Dede
It has already been written that OPALE is not suitable for hard water, ie rich in mineral salts (calcium magnesium, etc.) which cause "lime and other" deposits after evaporation.
Salt water is also not recommended; it can be used exceptionally in winter for snow removal without significant corrosion effect (and again I manage to avoid this by technical tricks already explained).
Luckily, rainwater is already naturally evaporated water and remains very suitable for OPALE.
Indeed, very arid and very hot regions are running out of water.
In this case, you must have a non-removable greenhouse in front of the panels and refresh in the basement, always the same water. This is the configuration Desert OPAL mentioned just before the end of the publication.
dedeleco wrote:Big fundamental problem, well posed by plasmanu:
in the Massif Central de Remundo, the water in the volcanic region is almost pure without limestone (to read the composition of certain bottled waters), while a few hundred kilometers around the Massif Central, Jurassic limestone rock, it is crammed with limestone which deposits in a thick layer, which jams everything, especially evaporated strongly by the strong sun.
It has already been written that OPALE is not suitable for hard water, ie rich in mineral salts (calcium magnesium, etc.) which cause "lime and other" deposits after evaporation.
Salt water is also not recommended; it can be used exceptionally in winter for snow removal without significant corrosion effect (and again I manage to avoid this by technical tricks already explained).
Luckily, rainwater is already naturally evaporated water and remains very suitable for OPALE.
Indeed, very arid and very hot regions are running out of water.
In this case, you must have a non-removable greenhouse in front of the panels and refresh in the basement, always the same water. This is the configuration Desert OPAL mentioned just before the end of the publication.
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The EDF contract is like that.
To get the price you have to give everything exclusively.
The control counter is before that of production with the pellets.
Producing better with an OPALE is beneficial for the installation except for the inverter which will receive more and wear out as much. But it's the game, like the miles in a car.
And diverting 2 panels with a small GTI would relieve the main inverter as much.
To get the price you have to give everything exclusively.
The control counter is before that of production with the pellets.
Producing better with an OPALE is beneficial for the installation except for the inverter which will receive more and wear out as much. But it's the game, like the miles in a car.
And diverting 2 panels with a small GTI would relieve the main inverter as much.
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plasmanu wrote:The EDF contract is like that.
To get the price you have to give everything exclusively.
The control counter is before that of production with the pellets.
Producing better with an OPALE is beneficial for the installation except for the inverter which will receive more and wear out as much. But it's the game, like the miles in a car.
And diverting 2 panels with a small GTI would relieve the main inverter as much.
The control of what, is done how with what method and what measures of what, on which son ???
How does he know that we partially divert what the panels give, before the pellets, during non consumption by EDF?
An inverter does not wear out at all like a car engine, so well designed, at all in operating time, so well designed, perpetual, if we stay below its maximum power.
Electronic wear, transistors, photovoltaics, LEDs, is very different from that of cars, with very long times, so well designed, because the lifetime, is not mechanical wear, by friction, but by thermal activation , with a very long duration which decreases exponentially with temperature, if excessive, therefore passing from almost eternal to very short depending on the operating temperature. Very visible on the LEDs, 80000h to 0h depending on T !!!
What conditions decide on non consumption by EDF ??
I don't like unclear situations.
EDF seems to scam more and more people, as with its letter for gas with a single bill, which is causing a stir.
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The non-consumption counter receives neutral + phase from the inverter and transmits the information to the redemption counter. And the current goes out by 2 big fuses.
The counters are digital sagem.
I don't know what's going on inside.
The counters are digital sagem.
I don't know what's going on inside.
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plasmanu wrote:The non-consumption counter receives neutral + phase from the inverter and transmits the information to the redemption counter. And the current goes out by 2 big fuses.
The counters are digital sagem.
I don't know what's going on inside.
So the non-consumption meter only measures the 220V and its current coming out of the inverter, before the lead.
Its function, in principle, is to verify that we do not return 220V coming from EDF cheap, via the inverter or something else, in the buyout counter which pays much more !!!
The sinkers are where ??? not on the inverter which is before the check counter with the lead weights ???
So we can take there before the sinkers, a part of the refused photovoltaic energy, either at low voltage before inverter, or after the inverter at 220V ????
As described, what prevents the return of low-voltage energy converted from part of the 220V energy coming from cheap EDF into low voltage to supply it to the well-paid inverter ??, possibility that the control is responsible for blocking in principle ????
Compare what comes from EDF 220V with what is sent there ???
Is it rather unexpected checks by EDF of the installation before the shots, to catch the serious cheat, without warning of the control visit ???
Under what real conditions is decided not consumption by EDF ??
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It is leaded counter which increments zero normally.
It does not distinguish a variation between my paid consumption and my real consumption.
Otherwise my personal panels would be seen.
EDF knows my production remotely since they send the statement every 6 months and no one ever passes by. So they can follow it ready. It is their right.
We move away from OPALE there
It does not distinguish a variation between my paid consumption and my real consumption.
Otherwise my personal panels would be seen.
EDF knows my production remotely since they send the statement every 6 months and no one ever passes by. So they can follow it ready. It is their right.
We move away from OPALE there
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In PV installations, several connection methods are possible.
The majority of cases are total resale kWh PV produced.
However, the inverters sometimes need to draw a few Wh to start / stop, especially if the light does not allow to inject (in the evening, in the morning, or in case of snow).
Thus it was established "the counter of non-consumption", which only measures what is drawn (in principle) by the inverters. It's a mini racking counter, akin to a kind of "easement" granted on the injection line.
The injection meter measures the net kWh produced if the "balance"
power produced by the inverter
less
power used by the inverter
is positive.
On the contrary, the non-consumption counter rotates when the energy drawn by the inverters exceeds the energy they produce, this is rare, but it does happen. Also, it is tolerated a few kWh on non consumption.
There is absolutely no point for the producer to extract from his PV circuit:
1) this risks making its non-consumption meter run beyond tolerance (if it draws more than its PV production)
2) financially, the kWh PV has much more value: therefore it is not necessary to use the kWh PV directly, but to extract it indirectly on the dedicated withdrawal meters ...
It is logical and well thought out.
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The majority of cases are total resale kWh PV produced.
However, the inverters sometimes need to draw a few Wh to start / stop, especially if the light does not allow to inject (in the evening, in the morning, or in case of snow).
Thus it was established "the counter of non-consumption", which only measures what is drawn (in principle) by the inverters. It's a mini racking counter, akin to a kind of "easement" granted on the injection line.
The injection meter measures the net kWh produced if the "balance"
power produced by the inverter
less
power used by the inverter
is positive.
On the contrary, the non-consumption counter rotates when the energy drawn by the inverters exceeds the energy they produce, this is rare, but it does happen. Also, it is tolerated a few kWh on non consumption.
There is absolutely no point for the producer to extract from his PV circuit:
1) this risks making its non-consumption meter run beyond tolerance (if it draws more than its PV production)
2) financially, the kWh PV has much more value: therefore it is not necessary to use the kWh PV directly, but to extract it indirectly on the dedicated withdrawal meters ...
It is logical and well thought out.
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Hello to Econologues,
After a good month of adjustment and fine tuning, OPALE has been in cruising mode since the beginning of July on the photovoltaic garage.
A web page has been created and will be enriched. It already has many explanations and illustrations.
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After a good month of adjustment and fine tuning, OPALE has been in cruising mode since the beginning of July on the photovoltaic garage.
A web page has been created and will be enriched. It already has many explanations and illustrations.
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