Hello,
It is very interesting,
and what would be the daily / monthly / annual production of such towers?
Night operation?
Investment / production ratio?
Comparison with wind turbines?
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Thank you Alain for your lights.
Capt_Maloche, the nocturnal functioning is approached in the subject, there is always a difference in temperature between the temperature on the ground and the temperature at altitude.
therefore at nightfall, continuous operation and accumulation allows it to be maintained overnight.
When I was doing free fall, we said that the temperature drops by 10 ° every 1000m ...
therefore overall the yield is much higher than that of wind turbines because it is much more stable, therefore more exploitable.
Finally the operation does not depend on the geographic location,
since it is a solar generator.
Capt_Maloche, the nocturnal functioning is approached in the subject, there is always a difference in temperature between the temperature on the ground and the temperature at altitude.
therefore at nightfall, continuous operation and accumulation allows it to be maintained overnight.
When I was doing free fall, we said that the temperature drops by 10 ° every 1000m ...
therefore overall the yield is much higher than that of wind turbines because it is much more stable, therefore more exploitable.
Finally the operation does not depend on the geographic location,
since it is a solar generator.
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Negotiations (arduous) in progress with two companies and institutional. For the moment still no official help, only verbal encouragement.
No contact with universities or laboratories: Alary and I developed everything on our own, with only the advice of three engineers from our friends to clarify certain aspects of our project.
I am an academic, but not in the right one: I am an economist-statistician-demographer of initial training, converted into climatology and sustainable energies.
My home university is 90% economic, legal, managerial and political. The remaining 10% goes from molecular research to environmental sciences, including forests and a touch of climate. So little or no support possible at this level.
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No contact with universities or laboratories: Alary and I developed everything on our own, with only the advice of three engineers from our friends to clarify certain aspects of our project.
I am an academic, but not in the right one: I am an economist-statistician-demographer of initial training, converted into climatology and sustainable energies.
My home university is 90% economic, legal, managerial and political. The remaining 10% goes from molecular research to environmental sciences, including forests and a touch of climate. So little or no support possible at this level.
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Capt_Maloche wrote:Hello,
It is very interesting,
and what would be the daily / monthly / annual production of such towers?
Night operation?
Investment / production ratio?
Comparison with wind turbines?
All the answers are on my site
http://groups.msn.com/ToursAerogeneratrices2/
Alain
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Thank you, I just read the world patent
In summary:
envisaged cost of kw.h: approx 2ct / kw.h
speed of ascent: several hundred km / h-- Wow
Power of a 300m tower: from 500 to 700MW depending on the version for a Delta T ° of 30 ° C with an air mass increased by a water load
Moderate maintenance
It is only the cost of manufacturing at 2007 value of such a tower that is not indicated.
Nice job, and my time, at first glance, it's very attractive
What would be the night production of such a tower with and without geothermal or other input?
The question is not trivial, it is in winter period from 17:00 to 08:00 (absence of sun) that are the peak consumption on the network
What is EDF saying? did you give them your calculation notes?
are they accessible for verification?
In summary:
envisaged cost of kw.h: approx 2ct / kw.h
speed of ascent: several hundred km / h-- Wow
Power of a 300m tower: from 500 to 700MW depending on the version for a Delta T ° of 30 ° C with an air mass increased by a water load
Moderate maintenance
It is only the cost of manufacturing at 2007 value of such a tower that is not indicated.
Nice job, and my time, at first glance, it's very attractive
What would be the night production of such a tower with and without geothermal or other input?
The question is not trivial, it is in winter period from 17:00 to 08:00 (absence of sun) that are the peak consumption on the network
What is EDF saying? did you give them your calculation notes?
are they accessible for verification?
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Capt_Maloche wrote:It is only the cost of manufacturing at 2007 value of such a tower that is not indicated.
In my opinion, this must be in the price of a nuclear unit (ie 1 reactor + 1 tower) ... for a very interesting power (ie comparable to that of the reactors). .and renewable!
Can Alain confirm (or deny?)?
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it is true that in reinforcement of a power plant, behind the turbines, there remains a packet of calories to recover
It would suffice to replace the cooling towers
It would suffice to replace the cooling towers
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Capt_Maloche wrote:it is true that in reinforcement of a power plant, behind the turbines, there remains a packet of calories to recover
It would suffice to replace the cooling towers
Perfectly. A nuclear power plant currently balances in nature 2/3 of the heat released by the reactors.
The aerogenerator towers could effectively replace the cooling towers of nuclear power plants (the size is also quite comparable) and transform at least half of the calories lost into electricity.
EDF (and its nuclear partners) do not refuse the project but consider it premature and put it on hold.
Must say, that it would make unnecessary the construction of an EPR that EDF and the CEA expect to quickly use as a showcase to sell floppies in China or elsewhere ...
Furthermore, by comparing element by element the cost of the different components of a couple of 300 m towers and a power plant of two reactors, I found a construction cost equivalent to at most half that of a nuclear installation of the same capacity.
As the tower does not need any fuel and its running costs are essentially reduced to maintenance and personnel costs, the cost price of "wind-generated" kWh could be about 50% lower than that of kWh. "nuclear".
Enough to revive the economy, employment and competitiveness of the industry while protecting the environment and guaranteeing truly sustainable development ...
It’s worth getting your shirt wet, right?
Alain Coustou
PS: I don't put everything on my site. I keep items for negotiation with future partners ...
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Now I'm convinced!
but why therefore EDF would not launch this program?
The EPR has nothing to do with it, unless they are already working on the Z pinch ...
but why therefore EDF would not launch this program?
The EPR has nothing to do with it, unless they are already working on the Z pinch ...
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+1 with Maloche ...
But hey, you would already need a real proto for real ... to have a chance of convincing them ... it can take years or even decades given the stakes and the inertia ...
But hey, you would already need a real proto for real ... to have a chance of convincing them ... it can take years or even decades given the stakes and the inertia ...
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