Photovoltaics: Solar trackers or trackers

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by Remundo » 18/10/08, 22:37

Hi Pifpaf,
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This is the principle of a North / South oriented cylindroparabolic mirror
Morning: 90 ° angle to the local horizontal to the East
Noon: 0 ° angle
Evening: 90 ° angle to the West.

Or a 180 ° angular movement to manage.

The angle does not vary linearly, and as the concentration systems require a very precise aiming (less than 1 °), you cannot run a motor on the 50Hz with gears which go well as for orienting a large PV panel.

"We know how to do that" with small photovoltaic cells which generate a voltage which passes through a relay and will supply the motor, or by direct programming of the angle.

The only one I know of is a 4-quadrant tracker that has a pointing accuracy of 0,1 °. It is marketed by Cimel for a star spectrometer.
http://www.cimel.fr/photo/pdf/ce318_fr.pdf

It is a "4 quadrant", that means that there are 4 PV cells from which we take the vertical / horizontal potential differences to go to supply the motors of azimuth and height. As long as it is not aligned, the 4 cells give different voltages and the motors run for alignment, then the more it is aligned, the less the ddps are strong: auto-control on the position of the sun.

Joyjoy recently said that he made something with a thermistor or something. This is what he explained to me in MP.
joyjoy wrote:well this is how I solved the problem, it's quite expensive anyway,
I use stepper motors.
the principle for each axis:
an impulse is given a little ahead of one step and from one axis to the other at 90 °, a rise in temperature then makes sense, otherwise it changes direction and sees if the temperature rises.
the control is simple, based on L297 and L298.
all with logics, and a single bpw54 which points to the focus
just the servo but for the return of the evening no meter is yet installed, remains to interface it with a measurement of the motors.
to make it a wind control: my parabola "bends" but does not break, rather it makes the weather vane ..;)
I can give the plans but for the moment they are others that interest me. and then via this debate question losses by IR retransmission of the hearth that it is also very interesting to go in this direction
and see from this point of view if a white glass (a kind of pyrex)
in front of the fireplace if it would decrease the direct energy will let less go
by incidence in the afterlife ...; the greenhouse effect, because this fireplace is still less hot than the sun's rays ...
I'm going to do these tests because the idea is good,
as well as rethinking effective insulation ... the wind is particularly responsible.
here are some pictures: see you soon ..
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But solar tracking for concentrating systems is an area where few professionals venture and there are, to my knowledge, no consumer products.

Either it's home-made DIY, or it's hyper-product, or both. : Cry:
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by pifpaf » 19/10/08, 13:35

Thank you Raimundo, but the solution you are offering me here is what I want to avoid -> I don't want hi-tech and overpriced sun tracking.

I am interested in this simple system you mentioned in a previous post:

The simplest tracker is not a tracker ... it's a simple pivot that runs super slowly, but at the same time as the sun, ie 1tour / 24h


and hello789456:

if you have the possibility of access to the sector (socket), it is an ideal time base, stable and free (if you can say).
a synchronous motor with a consequent reducer so that it makes only one turn by 24 h, an output rod (like a steam engine) and your panel will orient correctly in the least sophisticated way possible, so practically absence failures, not even need to reorient to time changes except in case of power failure.
the positioning will not always be in a perfect axis, especially at the beginning and end of the day, because of the rotation and the connecting rod: the movement will look like a sinusoid.
synchronous motor, brushless (coal) constant rotation: we find everywhere
washing machine (programmer) water pump (emptying), dishwasher pump, fan, most water pumps, etc ...


It is this "clock" system where the hour hand follows the sun that interests me.

A system like the one you propose must certainly cost alone 3 times the price of the whole distillation unit that I project.

There are several things to keep in mind:
- The distillation unit will not operate every day;
- It must be cheap;
- It must be easy to use and repair;
- The concentrator as I project it can raise the temperature of the water up to 200 degrees centigrade, but I only need 80 degrees -> the positioning of the axis does not have to be absolutely perfect.


I would really like coucou789456 to explain its solutions to me with recovery engines. And how to correct the axis manually, in the event of a power failure for example - and finally why the positioning of the system of which he speaks is not perfect at the start and at the end of the day ...
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by Remundo » 19/10/08, 14:43

Hi Pif Paf,

Here is the kind of engine stalled on the sector at 50Hz, it is 500 rpm.
http://www.directindustry.fr/prod/johns ... 54548.html

If you have 180 ° to do in 12 hours, that's ...
0.5 / 12/60 = 0.0006944444444 rpm
or a reduction ratio of 1440.

That you can get by measuring a cascade of reducers, for example 30x3x16.

If it is a turn, it will be a 720 = 20x36 recuc for example.

You start the goof in the morning in one direction ("wake-up type" programming) and in the evening, you make it run in the opposite direction. During the night, it returns to its initial position.

Or you can decouple your mirror manually, put it back in position by hand, and re-couple it in the morning. The engine will only be started in the morning and turned off in the evening.

But beware, if your solar point deviates more than 10 ° from the optimal, it may well be that it does not heat well.

Good luck !
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by RV45 » 09/11/08, 17:08

I think I have what you need : Cheesy:

http://www.chaleurterre.com/forum/viewsujet.php?t=8218

take the opportunity to watch the other solar installation presentations this can give you good ideas :P

http://www.chaleurterre.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=31
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by pifpaf » 09/11/08, 18:16

Thanks, but that's not what I need at all. If I had 20.000 euros I would set up a complete distillery ...
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by bpval » 09/11/08, 18:31

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by RV45 » 09/11/08, 18:40

bpval wrote:Or that ... Or that Image


there i tell you : Shock: http://www.chaleurterre.com/forum/viewsujet.php?t=8218
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by swift2540 » 09/11/08, 19:20

I haven't seen the distillery Image
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by e-conologue » 23/01/09, 11:22

if we prefer to tinker than to buy I rotate a PV panel with a cut (with the exception of 1 euro of electronic pcs).

http://piments.com/solar/scroll.html
http://piments.com/solar/tracker-cct-sm.gif
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by Flolan » 23/12/09, 00:01

Hello,
I allow myself to post your work which seems to me quite nice.
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