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Re: The all electric viable or not?




by Flytox » 19/11/18, 23:23

izentrop wrote:No French official has joined the concert of congratulations or even, it seems, has raised the event: it is in full EPP it is prudent not to make waves and not to speak, especially good, of the EPR! Did not the French minister remind us that the Flamanville EPR is still not put into service and that we do not know when it will be? ... some even imply that we do not even know if it will ever be and if even the technology works.

And yet yes the EPR is in service in China ... and in addition it works! and rather well. Congratulations to those who contributed to this success.


If that is the case, we could compare our security standards, how they are applied here, with those of China and their legendary in-depth listening to their citizens ..... to see who is the least irresponsible .... : Mrgreen: :|

But it is true that we can congratulate ourselves on having people in France who are proud to know how to produce the most expensive kW ever produced by a nuke power plant. : Mrgreen:
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Re: The all electric viable or not?




by izentrop » 20/11/18, 08:55

Flytox wrote:If that is the case, we could compare our security standards, how they are applied here, with those of China and their legendary in-depth listening to their citizens ..... to see who is the least irresponsible ....
It's clear that it worked, but on the French side it becomes an obsession to stack the security layers.
Flytox wrote:But it is true that we can congratulate ourselves on having people in France who are proud to know how to produce the most expensive kW ever produced by a nuke power plant.
Even if photovoltaics is becoming more and more competitive. For RES, If we count availability on demand, we are not there yet. http://cil-gerland-guillotiere.fr/wp-co ... urce-1.pdf
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Re: The all electric viable or not?




by gildas » 20/11/18, 16:05

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To replace, the battery of the electric car was more expensive than the purchase price of the vehicle! The local UFC-Que Choisir association warns.


In July 2012, a consumer bought a new Peugeot Ion electric vehicle. At the time, the lion brand granted great discounts which added to the ecological bonus. In the end, the buyer signs a check for € 11. The traction battery is guaranteed for 285 years and 5 km "whichever comes first". Less than for current models (50 years and 000 km). In March 8, our motorist traveled 100 km. It therefore exceeded the limits of the guarantee. It is at this point that his battery begins to weaken. The car runs out of steam from 000 km, which can also be dangerous. He goes to the confident garage, thinking that the problem will be quickly resolved. But he is disillusioned. In reality, you have to change the battery and it costs € 2017. More expensive than the purchase price of the car, 100 years earlier! Certainly, Peugeot agrees to grant him a 000% discount on the replacement quote or to grant him a discount of € 30 if he buys a new electric car. But the account is not there: the motorist does not follow up. The local association UFC-Que Choisir tried to coax Peugeot. In vain. She also took out her calculator. The cost of a battery sold for € 17 and which “tires” after 750 km comes down to € 5 per 30 km. Compare with the € 5 / 200 km of a petrol model powered by the SP 17. Hence this advice from the local association: "Before buying an electric car, let the competition play, check the duration exact warranty and replacement price of a traction battery. To avoid the blow of bamboo!

https://www.quechoisir.org/action-local ... ix-n46396/
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Re: The all electric viable or not?




by Exnihiloest » 20/11/18, 18:59

Very edifying this article. I knew the expensive batteries, but there, it is beyond all that I imagined. And the big drawbacks in principle is that we are captive to the manufacturer, unless the Chinese start producing batteries for vehicles.
All electric is certainly viable, like electronics in general and electric motors ... but only the time of the battery. A few years ago we heard about alternatives to the battery (production of electricity on board, with a fuel cell and hydrogen, for example). I do not know if it is still relevant, I do not see anything happening on this subject (but I did not search either).
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