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Re: Monsanto Roundup deadly to humans - Glyphosate




by izentrop » 15/10/18, 20:18

Ahmed wrote:We must never forget that the manufacture of opinion is a science that occupies a number of specialists
With a little research and zetetic, it is quite possible not to be deceived.
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by Janic » 15/10/18, 20:29

With a little research and zetetic, it is quite possible not to be deceived.
ouarff! You did not understand what Ahmed said, the opinion is made by the way a subject is presented and it is not the zetetic sect that will change something because it uses, at will, this kind manipulation for people who do not look further than the tip of their nose.
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Re: Monsanto Roundup deadly to humans - Glyphosate




by moinsdewatt » 16/10/18, 02:23

53 new complaints filed in France against glyphosate

BY ADELINE HAVERLAND PUBLISHED THE 15 / 10 / 2018

In Foix (Ariège), the collective "glyphosate campaign" has just filed 53 complaints against agrochemicals and European Union leaders after discovering, in their urine, a level of glyphosate on average 15 times higher than that which is authorized in drinking water.

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https://www.usinenouvelle.com/article/5 ... te.N755184
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by izentrop » 16/10/18, 08:17

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53 new complaints filed in France against glyphosate
Clearly, that means that the skewed message of Marie Monique Robin, Séralini and IARC have been good, not that the danger of the product is proven. We are in France, these people are wasting their time and money.
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by Janic » 16/10/18, 08:34

https://www.usinenouvelle.com/article/l ... ra.N731619
Better regulation in organic crops
Efficiency due to the natural regulation of parasites that is greater in organic farming systems than in conventional systems, for all types of pests. To arrive at this result, the INRA of Rennes analyzed more than 177 studies carried out on the subject. Certainly, scientists observe a greater presence of weeds in organic fields, but according to them, it is the "presence of these unwanted crops which helps to fight against diseases and pests ".
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by izentrop » 16/10/18, 09:03

Janic wrote:https://www.usinenouvelle.com/article/le-bio-plus-efficace-que-les-pesticides-selon-l-inra.N731619
Better regulation in organic crops
Efficacy due to the natural regulation of parasites more important in organic farming systems than in conventional systems for all types of bio-aggressors. To arrive at this result, INRA Rennes has analyzed more than 177 studies carried out on the subject.
Others analyze their methods of analysis http://seppi.over-blog.com/2018/08/des- ... lague.html
We fall in the same way as poppies. :(
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Re: Monsanto Roundup deadly to humans - Glyphosate




by Ahmed » 16/10/18, 10:51

I noted an amusing feature of this criticism: the results would be biased or strongly influenced by the "ecological convictions" of their authors, therefore by an ideology! It reassures that pro-chemistry, for their part, free from any ideology ...:D
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by Janic » 16/10/18, 11:19

It reassures that pro-chemistry are, for their part, free of any ideology ...:D
it is obvious who would dare to believe the opposite! : Cheesy:
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by izentrop » 16/10/18, 11:34

Ahmed wrote:I noted an amusing feature of this criticism: the results would be biased or strongly influenced by the "ecological convictions" of their authors, therefore by an ideology! It reassures that pro-chemistry, for their part, free from any ideology ...:D
The mistake is to think that pesticides used in Bio are not chemical. Worse, their dosage and effects are not controllable as with a molecule whose active ingredient has been selected, allowing a more precise targeting and dosing.
The goal, in the case 2 is to fight against pests
Recall https://sciencepop.fr/2016/10/11/les-pe ... i-derange/
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by Janic » 17/10/18, 08:09

The mistake is to think that pesticides used in Bio are not chemical. Worse, their dosage and effects are not controllable as with a molecule whose active ingredient has been selected, allowing a more precise targeting and dosing.
The goal, in the case 2 is to control pests
Recall https://sciencepop.fr/2016/10/11/les-pe ... i-derange /
and it's off for a ride!
The talk that everything is chemical has already been seen and reviewed. We must instead use the term synthesis, ie developed by the chemical industry to suggest that this synthesis brings a plus compared to a so-called natural product, such (and this is not wrong in itself) a more precise dosage. In fact the world of the living does not work this way because the dosage of a product is done on demand, just as is released in the blood a variable sugar rate according to the effort required to the body, what no synthetic product can do.
We can say that the products used in organic do the same and again it is partly true because in nature it does not bring products outside what exists on site. So in true bio as DId would say, artificialization that serves to "preserve" plants artificially set up by selective food need, is nothing natiurel either. From where, more and more, the search for more rustic, less productive plants can be, but resists better, more naturally, than other plants badly adapted to the environment where they were put. Hence this reduction of the artifices in progress.
So the use of natural pesticides is only a bad thing until the agricultural industry, starting with the organic, reform gradually by returning to more suitable varieties, more resistant.
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