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by izentrop » 21/09/18, 22:42

He persists in denying the TC
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by Janic » 22/09/18, 08:16

same speech as bad as the others!
So you want or not an analysis of these vaxxeuses, full of untruths and worse of lies, but can we expect something better than this tissue of nonsense. It is therefore understandable that this is the kind of literature that you are particularly fond of: "birds of a feather flock together"
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You're so scared of it that not to wish an analysis of these bogus speeches for the most part. Is not it you who said somewhere that you should not question the individuals (you somehow in this sentence) but the subject. And here, vaxxeuses regales to incriminate the individual rather than the sources.
As we will end up analyzing the bogus speech of vaxxeuses, we will show how much official sourcesshe gives them wrong.
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by pedrodelavega » 22/09/18, 08:53

Janic wrote: And here, vaxxeuses regales to incriminate the individual rather than the sources.
False, all the answers to the contradictions / nonsense are documented and sourced.
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by Janic » 22/09/18, 10:25

Janic wrote:
And here, vaxxeuses regales to incriminate the individual rather than the sources.

False, all the answers to the contradictions / nonsense are documented and sourced.

false too. the sources of casasnovas are all as reliable or unreliable as those of vaxxeuses, because everything depends on the chosen model of interpretation. Here is an example from the first comments of vaxxeuses and we can take it all (what I proposed, but he does not want to confront it,) but if the challenge tempts you, we can go!

To please me, just a little analysis of what vaxxeuses says
8'29: Measles outbreak in Quebec. Despite vaccination coverage of 99%. That is, people have very high levels of antibodies. It's on this link.
No, no and no. Immunization coverage of 99% does not mean that 99% of people have a high level of antibodies to MEASLES virus. This just means that 99% of people have been vaccinated. We are surprised that in your six or eight months of research, you have not discovered that the vaccines are not reliable at 100%.

Fully agree with this statement. Let's analyze:
Immunization coverage of 99% does not mean that 99% of people have high levels of antibodies against MEASLES This just means that 99% of people have been vaccinated.
So there is no correlation between vaccine and immunization!
but then :
vaccines are not reliable at 100%.

So correlation between vaccine and immunization to ???? .... since no figure is indicated: 99%? 50%? 10%?
Let's continue:
The measles vaccine, for example, has a measured efficacy of 97% after a two-dose vaccination


Very good and how is this efficiency of 97% measured? At random ! Indeed this supposed effectiveness is measured: either by the antibodies and therefore by a laboratory analysis (rarely performed), or by global statistics of the population and this arbitrarily.
So, if such population known does not develop such a disease after vaccination is that it is considered protected BY the vaccine.
This speech, a little sketchy, is unscientific because it does not meet the very criteria that set the rules for the safety and efficacy of a pharmaceutical product, that is to say by comparison between targeted groups and well defined. When a population is predominantly vaccinated, there is no longer a possibility of permanent comparison and therefore any group that does not fall ill is assumed to be the beneficiary of that vaccine. It's unscientific according to their own evaluation criteria.
. That is, 3% of fully vaccinated individuals are unresponsive and do not develop immunity following vaccination.

Rebelotte! This immunization is supposed to correspond to the presence of specific antibodies (which are analyzed only in the laboratory, not in population statistics) Or being a respondent, according to BP, is showing signs of reactions to the injected products (inflammation , fever). However, not showing these signs does not mean being nonresponsive in terms of antibodies, lymphocytes, but non-manifest internal functions. outwardly. [*]

Measles develops in four phases: incubation, invasion, morbilliform eruption followed by desquamation with persistent fatigue.

The first phase corresponds to a silent incubation period of ten to twelve days on average, rarely reaching three weeks after exposure.
The second phase is the invasion period. It lasts from two to four days during which the individual presents various symptoms: high fever, rhinitis, cough, conjunctivitis. Abdominal pain, diarrhea, vomiting and general discomfort with irritability are also symptoms. The sign of Koplick (3), is pathognomonic, but inconstant.
The third phase of the disease is the eruption. It lasts an average of four to six days and corresponds to the state phase of measles.
The rash of measles is characteristic; it consists of the gradual appearance of small patches (red on white skin) more or less raised, a few millimeters in diameter, which confluence in wide areas but always leaving between them healthy skin intervals. The first day the rash begins on the face, behind the ears, and then gradually spreads. The next day she reaches the neck, and the upper part of the thorax. The day 3e, the trunk and the upper limbs are reached. The eruption extends to the lower limbs from the 4th day. Itching is rare. The fever remains high, then gradually fades.
During the fourth and last phase, the rash gradually disappears a copper color, and gives way to a thin desquamation visible a few days.
The fever disappears, but the asthenia remains present during the convalescence which lasts about ten days during which the cough can persist.
In addition to the frequent and generally mild complications of pulmonary and ENT problems in developed countries, it is the rare neurological complications of measles that are the most feared and are often put forward to justify vaccination campaigns.

acute post-measles encephalitis, which occurs less than a week after the onset of eruption and is variable in evolution; when it does not heal quickly, it can leave motor and mental sequelae, and in some cases lead to death;
subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, late complication of measles (several years after the disease); very rare (4), a mutation of the residual virus causes a degeneration of the cerebral neurons and causes serious handicaps then the death.
Measles can be confused with rubella, scarlet fever, erythema infectiosum, infantile roseola, infectious mononucleosis or a drug-induced rash.
You also forget (deliberately?) To specify that the vaccination coverage at the patients was only 84,5%, but especially, especially, look at the date: it was in 1989. At that time, vaccination was only done at one dose. Which proved insufficient. That's why the MMR is done in TWO doses.

Always the same thing ! It is not a question here of biological measurements, but of abstract statistical measures since they are not correlated.
Moreover this reflection, above vaxxeuses is interesting. So:

The MMR (Measles-Mumps-Rubella) vaccine in France, also called MMR for Measles-Mumps-Rubeolus of the name used in Anglo-Saxon and other countries, was originally developed by Merck at the end of the 1960 years.
1968: The measles vaccine is available in France.
1983: He enters the vaccination calendar (recommended vaccine).
Start of the measles-rubella vaccination program (BEH n ° 46, 1983)
1986: Entry of the associated vaccine MMR (recommended vaccine) to the vaccination calendar (BEH n ° 52, 5 January 1987).
Originally a single dose was administered, but in 1989 a second dose is recommended by the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. In France, this second dose is included in the 1996 vaccination schedule.

Strangely, in the official literature, individuals current receiving only one dose are cataloged as NOT vaccinated. That is to say that until 1996, the vaccinated populations were UNV vaccinated, then?! " Are these romans mad? And despite being NON-VACCINES it would have worked at 84.5%?
A quick glance at the statistical curves since the beginning of the 20 ° century leaves something to think about
https://www.google.com/search?q=courbe+ ... IW7RLVIp9M:
https://www.clubdesmedecinsblogueurs.co ... /rougeole/
It's a little more serious than vaxxeuses!
And everything is to match on this site vaxxeuses! appearances of science, but that's all!

And just for fun!

The current patchacaisse on the "epidemic" of measles, where the media give their heart to joy (instead of money joy).
Report dead 3 6 months (good TB is between 4 and 500 dead over the same period, but it does not interest these media there) and as luck would have it, they rely on the fact that the last victim was not vaccinated. What dean, indeed what shame, what lack of civism, what ... What strangeness, if a case was not vaccinated, it is that the others were then!
Report a report that could have been given by these media: " a scandal more: 66% of the victims of measles were vaccinated and despite that have died, would this vaccine be so ineffective, even dangerous for the populations? Yes, everything is only a question of point of view!
Finally, and most importantly, the "medical" literature confuses the term child population and general population. However, if we obtain a vaccination coverage of 95% (for example) of children, it is different for the general population without reminders (the majority, moreover, except for tetanus and polio which is scary, but diphtheria is not is only 30% for example) which therefore become the most contaminating.

[*] At the time of BCG, even after several non-responder trials, children were still considered protected by the vaccine (the protection of the myth being more important than the biological reality) and thus maintained in schools without provoking epidemics, even in contact with unvaccinated children.
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Re: France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.




by izentrop » 23/09/18, 01:24

Janic wrote:A quick glance at the statistical curves since the beginning of the 20 ° century leaves something to think about
https://www.google.com/search?q=courbe+ ... IW7RLVIp9M:
https://www.clubdesmedecinsblogueurs.co ... /rougeole/
It's a little more serious than vaxxeuses!
And everything is to match on this site vaxxeuses! appearances of science, but that's all!
Your curve does not show much real good ??
Are not you quoting the doctors who opposed the compulsory vaccines, what chance? : Mrgreen:

This one is more talking
Image https://theierecosmique.com/2015/09/28/ ... s-vaccins/
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by Janic » 01/10/18, 10:10

Your curve does not show much real good ??

They show a set (reduced in spite of everything) of official statistics, when coming from inserm for example, which must then be decrypted.
Are not you quoting the doctors who opposed the compulsory vaccines, what chance? : Mrgreen:
This is not an official opinion and therefore to relativize like the zigotos of cosmic teapot elsewhere, and your other sites as unreliable.
This one is more talking
Not really speaking, on the contrary. Comparable things can only be compared, and US conditions also require global decryption. Indeed if we see a constant between the set of declines, all vaccines diseases, confused, we can possibly attribute the cause to vaccines, in the opposite case (and our specialist in vaccinology HAS, recognizes it the decline in most diseases is due to general hygienic conditions such as drinking water, a healthy diet, diversified and sufficiently abundant). However, if one compares, at standard of living, of hygiene, similar in Europe, the fall of mortality of the epidemic diseases preceded the compulsory or recommended vaccines.
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by Janic » 05/10/18, 16:57

And one more: Unsurprisingly we find the same approach as the lobbies of hunters, at home, to see in additional investigations.
. "... Among them: Dr Bernard Dalbergue, ex-doctor at Merck who previously said that" Gardasil will be the biggest medical scandal of all time [4] but also Dr. Diane Harper who participated in Gardasil's pre-market clinical trials and described as "very scary" Merck's business strategy she discovered after the fact, which would be "passing laws To promote blindly and for all this lucrative vaccine. Another personality to be interviewed, Professor Carlos Alvares-Dardet, professor of Epidemiology and Public Health at the University of Alicante who has launched a request for moratorium from 2008 on this vaccination promoted without valid reason by politicians speaking out for lobbies. 3500 people have signed it including half of the country's public health specialists. Among the signatories was also Ildefonso Hernandez Aguado, Director General of Spanish Public Health from 2008 to 2011. He told France 5: " It was clear that, from the first days, special interests influenced decisions. He adds, "Who decides on the scientific agenda? Pharmaceutical companies. When I arrived at the Ministry, that's what I found. The political agenda, which was controlled by a series of imperceptible actions, which seem natural, as if nothing had happened. Businesses influence policies whenever necessary. They say that they control the situation well, but in reality, by doing so, they influence politics by affecting all levels of power, from the head of state to the bottom of the scale if necessary. is their way of doing things. It was visible, especially about people I know personally and who have been under direct pressure to change their minds in favor of the pharmaceutical industry. "

It is clear that this is once again what we are talking about today: a further surge in the pharmaceutical industry that is instrumentalizing MPs to achieve its ends. The same phenomenon is also happening in France, where a proposal that is strangely similar to that of Mr Brotchi has been filed this summer, even requiring the inclusion of this HPV vaccination among the list of mandatory vaccinations [5]. The process is always the same at the base: we magnify a problem by transforming it into a "serious public health problem" because, like Merck told researcher Diane Harper "fear is selling ! In the 90 years already, during the crazy vaccination campaign against hepatitis B that was to vaccinate half of the country (without any decline in serious complications related to the disease in the end), an internal note by Sanofi Pasteur said word for word: " In the vaccinations market, adolescents are a very promising segment, we must dramatize »[6].

Not a word either, of course, in Mr Brotchi's proposal on the possible serious risks that young people will incur by vaccinating them in such a systematic way. In 2008, Ms. Fonck had already positioned against a school vaccination [7] since this framework is obviously very conducive to the respect of the patient's right to a truly free and informed consent. The Women's Life association had also been concerned about this issue, lamenting from 2012, the worrying partiality of information disseminated by Provac [8]. Will the school doctor really be able (and is he even aware?) To inform young people about the risk of paralysis? Autoimmune diseases? Infertility [9]? Deaths [10]? Because all these risks alas are very real! In testimony the statistics of the registers of side effects (VAERS), legal actions, protests and street demonstrations in several countries (Colombia, Ireland, Japan, etc.), scientific publications.

It should nevertheless be known that Gardasil 9 vaccine contains twice as much aluminum as the old version of the vaccine, aluminum being a neurotoxic substance, which will store in the brain without being able to come out again. Researchers at the National Institute of Cardiology in Mexico published in 2017 in Clinical Rheumatology [11], including the subterfuges used by companies to bias their study data on the "safety" of vaccines. In particular, they explain that on 16 randomized trials of HPV vaccine, only 2 used inert saline placebo, 14 others involved either another aluminum-based vaccine, a solution of aluminum alone (neurotoxic itself) and that the firm arranged to voluntarily group the results of its groups "saline solution" and "aluminum alone", so as to dilute the enormous contrast between the neutral solution and the Gardasil evaluated and present its vaccine as allegedly safe. These researchers also highlighted other overwhelming and alarming information that can not be random: a) 2,3% of girls vaccinated (or given aluminum injection alone) developed indicators of autoimmune diseases in the 6 months of the evaluation.
b) In Spain, the incidence of side effects related to HPV vaccine is ten times higher than that of other vaccines.
c) Abnormally high rates of emergency room visits 42 days after vaccination. The "response" of the official health authorities is always an attitude of denial ("no causal relationship"). As reported to Arte by the Danish doctor Dr. Jesper Mehlsen, director of research at the Frederiksberg Hospital, who investigated the side effects of Gardasil in his country, he had no expectation that the European Medicines Agency / EMEA (funded at 80% by royalties from the pharmaceutical industry) performs an objective analysis, believing that the dice were stacked in advance. Dr. Mehlsen was auditioned by the EMEA but said: "Everything was already decided before we arrived". The Cochrane Collaboration, which has gotten hold of a confidential report, internal to the EMEA proving that the European Agency has swept away any discordant voice ».

In 2011, Initiative Citoyenne had already approached secondary school principals and parents' associations to alert them to this vaccination in a school setting. In 2013, we had rewritten them to include the Japanese decision, in 2013 to suspend the official recommendation of anti-HPV vaccination [12].

In the meantime, new fundamental elements have been added, and in particular, the fact that this vaccination actually increases the risk of invasive cervical cancer for the vaccinated, which is a shame ! As official data shows in several countries that have massively vaccinated (Australia, Sweden, Norway, etc.), cervical cancer, which tended to decline before vaccination, mainly because of screening smears, not only no longer decreases, but began to increase three to five years after the beginning of the campaigns, although this increase does not concern older women who have escaped vaccination. This is what Dr. Gérard Delépine, surgeon-oncologist and statistician explains, official data in support in several articles and that he calls " the Titanic effect of Gardasil "[13]. While the history of these cancers is a long story (on 10, 15, 20 years for it to develop), the excesses of cervical cancer related to the HPV vaccination are already observable in 3 to 5 years that follow the launching of the campaigns, which also include for business reasons, young girls having already started their sex life and having already been previously infected by HPV without knowing it (which does not prevent Mr Brotchi, not concerned with this negative efficiency, however, to recommend a "catch-up for 15 26 years!").

To conclude, we would like to simply recall some figures that make us dizzy: 430 deaths of young people after HPV vaccination already registered in the American VAERS system at 15 last July, since initial marketing in 2006, and near 60 000 side effects including more than 8600 serious (knowing that only 1 at 10% of serious side effects are counted in this kind of system) [14]. 200 millions at least of young women already vaccinated in the world and 100 billions of dollars already dilapidated for these vaccines have not yet proven that they were able to avoid the least case of invasive cervical cancer [15 ]. Should the health of our young people be crushed in this commercial machine? It is clear that nowadays it is mainly the media and parents' associations (much more than politicians who we do not expect to have much to expect, in our opinion) to disseminate this essential information and not to engage in the authoritarian turn and so little liberal that Mr Brotchi wishes to promote with such an aggressive and indistinct vaccination. The Flemish model that appealed to Mr. Brotchi and "his secret" in terms of docility and media censorship is summed up in a simple and straightforward way by Prof. Marc Van Ranst, virologist and epidemiologist at the KUL: "In the regions whose inhabitants can afford to question the risk of epidemics and the usefulness of vaccines, the critics of vaccination find more echo. Social networks, which significantly relay messages, whatever they are, also play a leading role. We can be proud that our Flemish media are responsible for this and do not try to score points with sensational news about the merits or dangers of vaccines "[16].


[1] http://archive.pfwb.be/100000002093049

[2] See in the meantime 40'00 '' and 1H00 'at the following link:


[3]


[4] http://www.lolivier.net/v2/dossiers/Int ... bergue.pdf

[5] http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/dyn/1 ... bligatoire

[6] See 2'40 time '':


[7]https://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/1517/Canal-You/article/detail/536106/2008/12/08/Fonck-ne-veut-pas-imposer-le-vaccin-contre-le-cancer-du-col-de-l-uterus.dhtml

[8] See p. 4 in particular, here: http://www.viefeminine.be/IMG/pdf/Analy ... in_HPV.pdf

[9] Several cases of ovarian failure have been identified. Legal complaints have been lodged on this subject and established scientific communications. An 2018 publication mentions a drop in birth rates in the United States, possibly related to HPV vaccination: from 118 for 1000 women to 2007 in women from 25 to 29 years (at the beginning of HPV vaccination) in women from 25 to 29 years to 105 for 1000 in the same category in 2015. 60% of women who did not receive the HPV vaccine were pregnant at least once, while only 35% of women who had received the vaccine had been able to conceive. For married women, 75% of those who had not been vaccinated were able to conceive, while only 50% of the vaccinated women could have been pregnant. If 100% of women had been vaccinated against HPV, there would have been up to 2 million fewer births ... See the following links on this topic:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29889622

http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2012 ... 9.abstract

http://initiativecitoyenne.be/article-d ... 11010.html

[10] http://initiativecitoyenne.be/2018/01/deces-de-colton-berrett-un-jeune-homme-paralyse-par-le-vaccin-anti-hpv-gardasil.html

http://initiativecitoyenne.be/2018/09/i ... minee.html

[11] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28730271

Commented (in English and with the tables), here: https://www.collective-evolution.com/20 ... -vaccines/

[12] http://initiativecitoyenne.be/article-j ... 09090.html

[13] https://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/a ... sil-206898

https://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/a ... t-d-206314?

[14] https://sanevax.org/

[15] https://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/a ... sil-206898

[16] https://www.mo.be/fr/actualit/laugmenta ... suffisante

See also the following video clips, essential to protect his health and that of his children. These excerpts that the French Community did not want to see spread to parliamentarians smoky reason that it would have been too long ... 27 small minutes to save how many lives and health of a cynical and cruel commercial scam. To see, to share a maximum before their crazy aggressive and biased vaccination campaign does come to put a few more lives in danger .... NB: this day in the Parliament of the French Community, Céline Danhier, Director of Sida'Sos , said that there would be a lot of work to do to deconstruct the speeches and fake news of the anti-vaccine lobby to increase again and again this vaccination coverage at any price ... We leave to the readers, young and old, the comparison of the explanations of the international experts interviewed by France 5 and Arte to the tone and rigor of the simplistic and partial communication of this association, based on a screenshot of their site.



See first here, time 40'00 '' at time 1H00 '(Drugs under influence, France 5, 2015):


Report by Arte on the Danish Fronde against Gardasil (2017):


The sad precedent of the anti-hepatitis B vaccination, also sold in the 90s to French youth with lies as big as houses ("it is transmitted through saliva" etc.). Not only did this vaccine not reduce the serious complications of hepatitis B in the least, but it significantly increased liver cancer in humans (and this despite the decline in alcohol consumption ...). To be afraid to sell, as we see in this report broadcast on France's 2 News:

Our press release of this 24 September 2018 in pdf

[pdf] IC PRESS RELEASE OF 24 2018 SEPTEMBER
See as well:

Misleading vaccination advertising of the French Community: the JEP of Advertising Ethics (JEP) gives reason to Citizen Initiative
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http://initiativecitoyenne.be/
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Good to go, to counterbalance your disinformation, the following episodes Regenerates

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by Janic » 06/10/18, 08:20

Good to go, to counterbalance your disinformation, the following episodes Regenerates
the work of scientists would be misinformation and comments of your sects of information? Still in semantic confusion, as usual! : Evil:
As for regenerating, your skills inexistent can not afford to judge their value or relevance.
Besides, why do you refuse an analysis of the comments of your member of the provaquine sect, which would show the bad faith of the author and the fallacious, superstitious and deceptive arguments he uses?
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by Janic » 12/10/18, 10:32

https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/074556-00 ... -microbes/
Very interesting documentary all to the glory of the "great man" from which it appears that the humanitarian dimension is fading in favor of medico-political competition. But skipping all the inglorious dimension of the character more attracted by power than by the fate of humans and who will not hesitate to claim the paternity and glory of the work of other much more competent scientists, including in matters of vaccinations.
But for more than a century, now, we can realize that the notion, real in spite of everything, of microbes (to neutralize by physical or chemical processes), only led to weaken the populations by making substitute to hot pathologies, cold pathologies much more serious and especially definitive.
Vaccination is like global warming, after denying its destructive reality, its impact will wake up people late, too late.
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