Economic analyzes on the passage from 90 km / h to 80 km / h in France ...

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by sen-no-sen » 20/09/18, 11:04

One can actually find his speed reduction measures open to criticism in view of other measures that the government does not want to put in place for economic reasons (see below).
However, it is quite deplorable to note such an outcry for such an anecdotal measure ... real ecological measures will require gigantic transformations much more limiting than this 80km / h story: decrease in the car fleet, suppression of motorways, systematic clamping of vehicles, significant increase in the price at the pump etc, etc ...
In such a scenario that the French will do: make the revolution, drive out the (very very eventual) government (which would put such measures in place *) ?!

Personalized "steps for the climate" We have been organized here and there in France: citizens are asking for measures from governments. I have the impression that the demonstrators seem disconnected (like the political class for that matter) from the notion of ecology, because measures on climates it's less cars, less travel abroad, taxes on all ecologically dubious products, less purchases, in short it is the break with the notion of enjoyment in consumption and growth.
Except we have the impression that climate problems would be the prerogative only of large multinationals and elites and that our individual behavior would be limited only to exchanging plastic bags for shopping bags and diesel cars for electrics, c is badly crossed out!

"Everyone wants to save the planet, no one wants to take the trash out". Jean Yanne


* It is of course a fiction, the current government will not change anything, it was elected for that, we have the president that we deserve!
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by Gaston » 20/09/18, 11:08

If the radars never brought in enough, the police (?) are working on a parade.

And there, we can really say that the noose is tightening : Mrgreen:
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by Janic » 20/09/18, 11:11

we have the president we deserve!
and everything else too! this is not a reason to be satisfied! :?
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by Ahmed » 20/09/18, 12:34

I made the same observation as you, Sen-no-sen, about the markets for the climate. It is the same psychological spring that is at work in the movement of 1% ..., the idea that we must ask very kindly to the papa-government to make sure that it solves the problems without disturbing anyone : two obvious analysis errors *!

* 1- Wrong interlocutor; 2- resort to magic thought!
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by sen-no-sen » 20/09/18, 18:03

Ahmed wrote:I made the same observation as you, Sen-no-sen, about the markets for the climate. It is the same psychological spring that is at work in the movement of 1% ..., the idea that we must ask very kindly to the papa-government to make sure that it solves the problems without disturbing anyone : two obvious analysis errors *!

* 1- Wrong interlocutor; 2- resort to magic thought!


Indeed, and that does not bode well as inertia is important, the time when we had 20 years to act, now we are 20 years behind ...
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 20/09/18, 23:44

But it remains to know WHO really wants to act since no alternative energy is "green" ...

So everyone sinks happily.
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by phil53 » 21/09/18, 07:57

nico239 wrote:But it remains to know WHO really wants to act since no alternative energy is "green" ...

So everyone sinks happily.


there is no solution to our consumer bulimia.
We would have to drastically change our way of living to consume.
Very few can hear it and even fewer can.
Earth will force us to do so.
It is my vision.
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by Ahmed » 21/09/18, 12:01

... and if there was a solution to "our consumer bulimia", it would only continue to destroy the possibilities of life on Earth. How could it be otherwise? If no external limit appears, everything will continue as it is today ...
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by sen-no-sen » 21/09/18, 12:06

nico239 wrote:But it remains to know WHO really wants to act since no alternative energy is "green" ...

So everyone sinks happily.


It is less a question of type of energy than quantity of energy.
We can very generalize the construction of thermal vehicles consuming 2l / 100km and generalize car-sharing, there is no major technological challenge, just a re-education of our relationship to travel.
Multi-modality, decentralization, railway development, car sharing, everything is a matter of reorganization.
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by Ahmed » 21/09/18, 12:16

Yes, we must stop waiting for an external "solution", a magic law or technological innovations which only have the function of allowing us not to change anything that can disturb us in our wasteful habits.
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