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Re: France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.




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Re: France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.




by Janic » 13/07/18, 07:15

absolutely! This is what the State uses constantly and excessively, taking the speeches from the labs on vaccines for cash. we can perceive it with the previous Minister of Health who was totally, definitively, incompetent in matters of biology and therefore vaccine effects, who followed another, more competent than she since pharmacist, but holding a speech full of balance on the subject and replaced by yet another, totally, definitively, medically competent with exactly the same speech to the point. Competent attention in terms of medical knowledge, no knowledge of the side effects of vaccines which it denies just as fiercely as those which preceded it and which, however, are established and recognized in other countries. Would we be deaf and blind like Pasteur was?
After that, recommending science when the most basic precautions are flouted, avoiding the criteria of other vaccines (the vaccine is a drug, yes, you didn't know that?) Indicated previously: no pharmacokinetics, carcinogenesis, etc ... Well, you still haven't answered this subject! : Evil:
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Re: France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.




by Orpheus » 13/07/18, 07:41

Janic wrote:
absolutely! This is what the State uses constantly and excessively, taking the speeches from labs on vaccines for cash. we can perceive it with the previous Minister of Health who was totally, definitively, incompetent in matters of biology and therefore vaccine effects, who followed another, more competent than she since pharmacist, but holding a speech full of balance on the subject and replaced by yet another, totally, definitively, competent on the subject with exactly the same speech to the point. Competent attention in matters of medical knowledge, no knowledge of the side effects of vaccines which it denies just as fiercely as those which preceded it and which, however, are established and recognized in other countries. Would we be deaf and blind like Pasteur was?



And let's not forget the slight detail

Not only are there confirmation biases but there are proven facts:

- funding from organizations judging the effectiveness of drugs to be around 80% funded by companies (we can even hear from the officials concerned that this is "normal", that "ALL" organizations of this type operate in the same way in France).
In this regard I will also cite a report in Canada where the annual symposium on good nutrition is (it seems to me entirely) funded by ... Coca-cola and Mac Do !! we can therefore be sure to eat and drink healthily with these two companies 8) at the Symposium we can also drink Coke for free as we saw on the film. So they also do in altruism.
One can imagine how honest and impartial a judge, paid by a wealthy criminal, could be ...

- the means of the opposing camp are thin. If I die of being treated, what means can I have to fight against labs that will be perfectly united to defend their huge wallet? Having already experienced a similar situation although in another register, I can assure you that it is almost lost in advance.
For the few thrill seekers (or suicidal ones of which I am one) you simply risk putting your reputation, your career, your life ... in a trash bag!

In short, I do not claim that medicine is useless and systematically vitiated by "the system", I claim that it is not necessarily honest, intelligent, open and generous.
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In short, I do not claim that medicine is useless and systematically vitiated by "the system", I claim that it is not necessarily honest, intelligent, open and generous.
There's an emoticon missing, right? Ah, you want to talk about LA medicine, as Hippocrates thought ?! Indeed it was not aimed at a financial statement and dividends to be paid to shareholders ... philanthropists! : Cheesy: : Cheesy:
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by izentrop » 13/07/18, 17:49

orphee wrote:An example: about 30 years ago, my wife, after having seen different doctors, MUST have had carpal tunnel surgery because she could not hold anything (and it had been months).
Statistically we will assume that people who have surgery have fewer carpal tunnel problems than those who do not have surgery. This is still the apparent side of the statistics.

Except ... when speaking with a woman about her problem, this woman told her that she had had the exact same problem and "that" she had simply been advised to stop the milk.
Since it did not cost much to try she tried and ... after a week nothing! So it's been 30 years that she has no problem at all at this level.
It is on this subject that I thought about confirmation bias, because there is no medical reason except rare case of intolerance or allergy to have problems with milk, especially associated with a carpal tunnel https://www.passeportsante.net/fr/Actua ... hel-lecerf
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by izentrop » 14/07/18, 01:00

The anti-vaccines are victims of a cognitive bias, it is the science which says it http://www.slate.fr/story/164543/effet- ... ti-vaccins
In a study conducted by the University of Pennsylvania Public Policy Center, postdoctoral researcher Matt Motta states that individuals "not very sensitive to autism" and who lack knowledge of basic facts are more likely to believe that they have more knowledge than the experts. This overconfidence makes anti-vaccine suspicious compared to professionals in the sector. This study conducted on 1.310 adults demonstrated that 34% of the sample felt more knowledgeable than scientists about the possible causes of autism. This figure reaches 36% for those who think they know more than doctors.

Matt Motta's team demonstrates that the least knowledgeable are those who have the highest degree of trust and are most likely to support inexperienced people, such as celebrities.

To think that the anti-vaccine movement does not represent much is a mistake. The consequences of this attitude are real: this anti-vaccine minority grows visibly and is more inclined to contract diseases for which it refuses to be vaccinated. For example, according to Dr. Peter Hotezn, Dean of the Baylor School of Medicine: "A social opposition movement to vaccination has grown in the United States in recent years. As a result of this, there has been an increase in measles outbreaks.
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by Orpheus » 14/07/18, 11:07

izentrop wrote:The anti-vaccines are victims of a cognitive bias, it is the science which says it http://www.slate.fr/story/164543/effet- ... ti-vaccins
In a study by the center of public policy from the University of Pennsylvania, post-doctoral researcher Matt Motta says that people who are "less susceptible to autism" and who lack knowledge of basic facts are more likely to believe they have more knowledge than experts. This overconfidence makes anti-vaccines suspicious of professionals in the sector. This study carried out on 1.310 adults showed that 34% of the sample believed that they knew more than scientists about the possible causes of autism. This figure reaches 36% for those who think they know more than doctors.

Matt Motta's team demonstrates that the least knowledgeable are those who have the highest degree of trust and are most likely to support inexperienced people, such as celebrities.

To think that the anti-vaccine movement does not represent much is a mistake. The consequences of this attitude are real: this anti-vaccine minority grows visibly and is more inclined to contract diseases for which it refuses to be vaccinated. For example, according to Dr. Peter Hotezn, Dean of the Baylor School of Medicine: "A social opposition movement to vaccination has grown in the United States in recent years. As a result of this, there has been an increase in measles outbreaks.


Matt Motta:
"Why do so many Americans distrust climate scientists, and what can be done to improve that trust?"

Perhaps, dear young man who will point out among other things that young people doubt more than the old, the same official science and there is LITTLE of time - at least in the United States - denied this overwhelming majority of warming.
Maybe also because the studies, including yours, are financed by private funds which have no real interest in criticizing the main lines, even if we have taken them several times in the act or, worse still, when you allow food and weapons dealers to contribute currently to the destruction of their fellow men (and the rest).

Another example lived about two months ago.

I have a sister who is a specialist, my "big" sister.
About 30 years ago, when I became roughly a vegetarian, I was making a catastrophic choice for her and, worse, for my children. Indeed for her and for the vast majority of doctors, meat had properties essential to human health.
30 years later so what about me or my children?
They go perfectly well and so do I, especially when we compare for example to those who "well" puffed (which she and her husband) and do not hesitate to treat themselves because the disease is everywhere of course. Me, the only disease treatment I use is ginger. It must be because I can't afford ... 8) and the worst I've had in the last two years is a runny nose for, say, a day.
For those who want to know my magic method: as soon as in my environment I perceive risks I take a few slices of ginger, I grind them into small pieces and I infuse them a few minutes before drinking the liquid.
You feel something in your throat: so take the same slice of ginger (let's say the equivalent of 1 or 2mm) and chew it, you will tell me if the throat does not thank you very quickly (but must recognize that, for me , it is very very bad in taste).
A gastro is approaching or touching you? ginger tea! this is how I discovered, seeing everyone throwing up around me (and feeling the thing coming) and desperately searching on the internet for a method to escape it. Since then I've never had gastro effective. It should also be noted that I had gastroenteritis every year!
What if doctors have changed in 30 years? in my opinion yes, before they worried, now they don't care : roll: I do not have NEVER heard my doctor talk about diet or natural remedy, maybe because I'm doing too well 8)


Back to our sheep: my sister does not take ginger and has not changed her diet (in fact if, a little in quantity, since her husband had very big problems two or three years ago), she prefers good drugs and vaccines ... : roll:

The thing I wanted to add is this: about two months ago I saw my nephew again, in the second or third year of medicine.
When my wife told him about food, he smiled, that little mocking smile that says it all: he, of course, KNOWS.
It is the characteristic of the scientists: apart from them the world is populated only by people who do not know.

I also knew a head of clinic - who nevertheless liked to discuss various subjects with me - who knew.
He knew so well that he also had two children, very intelligent of course, who had to study. Anyway it was that or nothing (I could quote something less fun).
Result: the two disappeared - which did not affect him much more since he did not raise them - and many years after one had become a DJ, the other not really genius recognized no more.

Conclusion the "good students" who know do not seem capable of applying their own discoveries wisely.
It reminds me of this western genre film where the duel begins with a great technical demo with the knife of one of the two. The other, unimpressed, takes out his pistol and shoots once. The debate is over 8)
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by izentrop » 14/07/18, 15:56

orphee wrote:the same official science and a LITTLE time ago - at least in the United States - denied this overwhelmingly overheating.
Source please : Wink:
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by izentrop » 17/07/18, 14:23

Update on July 11, 2018. (pdf- 860,22 KB)
Key points
  • Increase in measles since November 2017
  • Decrease in the number of new weekly cases: rapid since the epidemic peak (S-13 to S-18), then stabilization with an average of 40 reported weekly cases (S-21 to S-26)
  • As of July 08, 2018, 2646 cases reported since November 6, 2017
  • 85 departments reported at least 1 case, number increasing since the last bulletin
  • Since week 13, decrease in the number of cases in New Aquitaine, no active outbreak
  • Number of regions reporting active households down since the last bulletin
  • Highest incidence in children under 1 year old: 28,2 cases / 100 inhabitants
  • 22% of reported cases were hospitalized
  • 89% of measles cases occurred in unvaccinated or poorly vaccinated subjects
  • 3rd death since the start of 2018 in the Nouvelle-Aquitaine region in a 17-year-old immunocompromised girl
http://invs.santepubliquefrance.fr/Doss ... illet-2018
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Key points
• Increase in measles since November 2017
• Decrease in the number of new weekly cases: rapid since the epidemic peak (S-13 to S-18), then stabilization with on average 40 reported weekly cases (S-21 to S-26)
• As of July 08, 2018, 2646 cases reported since November 6, 2017
• 85 departments declared at least 1 case, number increasing since the last bulletin
• Since week 13, decrease in the number of cases in New Aquitaine, no active outbreak
• Number of regions reporting active households down since the last bulletin
• Highest incidence in children under 1 year old: 28,2 cases / 100 inhabitants
• 22% of reported cases were hospitalized
• 89% of measles cases occurred in unvaccinated or poorly vaccinated subjects
• 3rd death since the start of 2018 in the Nouvelle-Aquitaine region in a 17-year-old immunocompromised girl


It's Public Health, which says it all!
Presenting raw figures without post-to-post analysis does not mean anything. When the WHO in its report said that the vaccination against smallpox had been successful in certain countries (without analysis either) the pro vaccines could have been satisfied with it because they were right. Unfortunately the positive figures here and there have proved catastrophic elsewhere and the non-vaccinators could have (and recommend it) use it as proof and demonstration of vaccine failures (without further analysis either). Seeing the effects without analyzing the causes only postpones the right solution such as isolation simple, efficient and inexpensive as the ad says.
Again an analysis, after all the others, would demonstrate that these raw figures are not evidence of truth but simply of interpretations.
Already, the non-distinction between unvaccinated and poorly vaccinated it's a huge statistical cheat. If 88% are poorly vaccinated, for example, it would be that it is this mal-vaccinations, she, responsible for these cases and this has already been seen and reviewed well ahead.
Finally, for decades, before the invention of vaccination, the entire medical profession recognized measles as an effective means of being immunized FOR LIFE (unlike the vaccine with supposedly beneficial, limited effects) and that this disease was benign for the majority of affected children (as at present) etc… and it actually became problematic by vaccination which shifted the biological reactions from children to babies and adults, therefore much more serious, even fatal.
Thus, the BCG vaccination obligation was abolished in 2005 and DESPITE THIS the disease is in constant decline as the authorities note it passing from 730 died in 2007 to 520 in 2017, without compulsory vaccines and scandalous newspapers don't make a big deal out of it with each new death. So 3 deaths from measles! : roll:
The other question is: why is the measles outbreak maximum in Ile de France and much lower, even very low elsewhere?
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