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by izentrop » 05/07/18, 18:35

Ahmed wrote: There have been, in the past and / or in other cultural references, symbolic cases approaching: the pile of manure in the yard of I do not know what European rural society
I knew this until the beginning of the 70 years. My father was a farmer farmer and at that time the cattle were raised on straw. Cleaning every day, it was convenient (wheelbarrow) manure pile in the middle of the yard and at the same time it was a fertilizer capital for crops.

That's what you're referring to, recyclable waste capital?

This time, I experienced it rather like chores after school day and during the holidays.
diabolorent wrote:the children of today are more and more myopic, stupid, fat (even obese), sick (immunity in regression), unthinking ...
Each element is discussed, we can not make generality so simple, each problem has its causes that are not the same from one family to another.
Immunity in regression, obesity, it can be too much hygiene and overprotection of babies especially the first year, it is the period of formation of the microbiota.
The recent discoveries on this "micro-world" nested in the belly open perspectives to better understand or even cure diseases as diverse as diabetes, obesity, inflammatory bowel diseases, certain cancers. even autism(I think of someone obsessed on this subject).
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by Janic » 05/07/18, 20:01

Each element is discussed, we can not make generality so simple, each problem has its causes that are not the same from one family to another.
Immunity in regression, obesity, it can be too much hygiene and overprotection of babies especially the first year is the training period of the microbiota.

This is the whole problem of vaccines that seek to overprotect during this key period.
Recent discoveries on this "micro-world" nestled in the womb open up perspectives for better understanding or even curing diseases as diverse as diabetes, obesity, inflammatory bowel disease, certain cancers and even autism (La I think of someone obsessed with this subject).

Autism is a crucial problem given its explosion diagnosed by passing from 1 / 10.000 to 1 for 88 (in America) or even less 1 / 68 and the projection of the curve leads to 1 on 2 in 2032. This is not anecdotal because it would mean that half of the population would be dedicated to heal and support the other!

http://www.vaincrelautisme.org/content/l-autisme-en-chiffres-cles
• 1 birth on 100 affected by ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorders)
• 650 000 people in France, according to internationally recognized prevalences.
• TSA affects 3 boys for 1 girl.
• About half of people with ASD also have an intellectual disability (IQ below 70).
• According to recent estimates, about 1% of British and American populations suffer from ASD. It can be deduced that, in the countries of the European Union, no less than 5 million people are affected.
• In France, partial and unadapted treatment costs at least 2 500 euros per child and per month, the financial burden essentially borne by his family.
• 80% of children with autism in France are out of school
• 37% of French people think, wrongly, that autism is a psychological disorder (Opinion Way study, 2012)
• 61% of French people think that there are about 50 000 people affected by autism in France ... instead of 650 000!
• Life-threatening consequences for human lives


Inter alia:
http://www.autisme-france.fr/offres/fil ... 064_89.pdf
involving the mercury of vaccines.
It is also noteworthy that among Amish cited that do not vaccinate, there is no case of autism. As in a US medical group, without vaccinations, where there are no cases of autism either.
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by Ahmed » 05/07/18, 21:36

Janic, you write:
well done, nice reflection! but you saw my last "iPhandrosung 10.9, il crirrreeee!" : Cheesy:

Sorry for the delay, but I saw well and, indeed, it tears grâââvvvveee! : Wink:

Sen-no-sen, you write:
So conspiracy or process of "technologization"? I lean for the second case ... more rational but more complex to understand.

Technologization is a form of evolution, memetic instead of genetics: events in phase with the process are selected (they are expressed), others are forgotten. Thus, the concern for "standard of living" takes precedence over the biocide that it requires (biocide, moreover, perceived in a clearly reduced manner and always as capable of being resolved by simple harmless adjustments).

Izentrop, you write:
That's what you're referring to, recyclable waste capital?

No, it is the idea that the volume of the heap corresponding to the herd of the farmer is the measure of its social importance. It is more direct now in Madagascar, since the herds of zebus are bigger than the modest consumption of the inhabitants (for the area I know).
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by izentrop » 05/07/18, 23:38

Janic wrote:Inter alia:
http://www.autisme-france.fr/offres/fil ... 064_89.pdf
involving the mercury of vaccines.
As you are selective : Evil:
If you read well
the National Academy of Sciences, recognized in 2001 that;
"The link between mercury in vaccines and autism is biologically plausible."
In 2007 we find this
No connection between autism and mercury http://www.autisme-france.fr/offres/fil ... 035_10.pdf
Or :
Eric Fombonne (Canada) undertakes a brilliant (but long) biological exhibition and
epidemiology to demonstrate two assertions: there is no incidence of MMR vaccination
(measles + mumps + rubella) on the appearance of autistic disorders, and there is no
relationship between autism and mercurism (mercury poisoning, which could be found in
some vaccines). http://www.autisme-france.fr/offres/fil ... 1785_4.pdf
Stop your tank, it's as big as a mountain your propaganda antivaxx : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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by Diabolorent » 06/07/18, 08:52

@ Izentrop:

You say: "Each element can be discussed, we cannot make such a simple generality, each problem has its causes which are not the same from one family to another."

I do not make any generality, I simply report facts, certainly very succinctly :D but scientifically proven:

The time spent watching a screen, often a few cm from the eyes, is extremely harmful for the development of sight in (all) the youngest.
The confinement (and therefore the lack of activities) often linked to a bad eating habit often causes (always?) An early obesity.
Not to mention desocialization, isolation.
It doesn't take a lot of research to see the "soup" we are served when our kids are watching TV. If that's not stupidity!

Another cause of "deregulation": children have less and less contact with animals, which is one of the causes of the weakened immune system observed in young people with too much sanitization and overprotection I agree .

So I'm schematizing a little bit, but all of this is very real, measured, seen by different specialists and by studies carried out in each domain : Wink:
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by Janic » 06/07/18, 09:12

janic wrote: Among others:
http://www.autisme-france.fr/offres/fil ... 064_89.pdf
involving the mercury of vaccines.

As you are selective

This is not selective, it is only one point among all the others as this author reports. But it is strange, despite everything, that the majority of his signs of intoxication by this product are also found in autism, it's just a remark because in fact it is mercury, aluminum or other crap that there are adjuncts, all are damaging to health and not just for autistic people.

If you read well
the National Academy of Sciences, recognized in 2001 that;
"The link between mercury in vaccines and autism is biologically plausible."

If you read better than right, just before: » In the USA ACIP admitted that there were associations significant between exposure to Thimerosal and ADD, tics, speech and language delays and developmental delays in general And the 3 page (which you have obviously not consulted) makes a comparative list between mercury and autistic signs.
In 2007 we find this
No connection between autism and mercury http://www.autisme-france.fr/offres/fil ... 035_10.pdf

This site puts forward its intervention APRES that signs of autism have been noted so if he put a link, it is nowhere indicated in their action.
Or :
Eric Fombonne (Canada) undertakes a brilliant (but long) biological exhibition and
epidemiology to demonstrate two assertions: there is no incidence of MMR vaccination
(measles + mumps + rubella) on the appearance of autistic disorders, and there is no
relationship between autism and mercurism (mercury poisoning, which could be found in
some vaccines). http://www.autisme-france.fr/offres/fil ... 1785_4.pdf

This poses the problem of court-awarded compensation for cases of autism after vaccination. This character should, too, see the film censored by many media, which demonstrates the contrary and mainly the high authority of the CDC that recognizes the cheating, lies and destruction of documents annoying, on autism, by this body. ]
However, it can be recognized, as others do, that the number of autists does not simply correspond to an increase in the number of cases, but also to count since this pathology is closely examined, as for cancers. But this only corresponds to a partial aspect which does not eliminate the growing number of cases observed.
Stop your tank, it's as big as a mountain your propaganda antivaxx

And you, the false propaganda of Provaxx. that you relaies, with a touch of additional slander.
[*] It is also interesting to see that the congress, so quick to seize scandals, does not care much for this one, for the moment, since this calls into question an important authority like the CDC.

And as obviously you are a size in vaccine biology clearly answers these fundamental questions:

1) so you agree that no pharmacokinetic study is done !?
2) For there to be no mutagenesis study?
3) Do you also agree that there are no carcinogenesis studies done?
4) That there are no teratogenesis studies, either?
5) And so studies against true placebo are not done?
6) And you find, of course, normal also that pharmacovigilance only identifies between 1 and 10% side effects that only enter the statistics?
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by izentrop » 06/07/18, 11:28

Ok, no generality : Wink:
Diabolorent wrote:The time spent watching a screen, often a few cm from the eyes, is extremely harmful for the development of sight in (all) the youngest.
Yes, well it is not very serious and easily corrected and it can be an advantage ...
Myopia increases in the industrialized countries, with the economic level, socio-educational, the number of years of study and in the work in near vision. It is proportional to the average daily duration of this close-up vision much more solicited currently by reading, precision work or on computer screens. Short-sighted people are generally more educated, more intellectual, more intelligent according to some IQ studies. Is this a consequence of nearsightedness that encourages reading or working closely rather than outdoor sports activities or a factor favoring increased solicitation of accommodation during reading? Both hypotheses have been advanced. In the second hypothesis, the antidote would be to look away, in the open air. http://www.ophtalmologie.fr/myopie.html
Diabolorent wrote:Not to mention desocialization, isolation.
It doesn't take a lot of research to see the "soup" we are served when our kids are watching TV. If that's not stupidity!
This is not inevitable, knowing that parents have the opportunity to act in the right direction. : Wink:
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by Diabolorent » 06/07/18, 15:01

It is true that prolonged studies bring this kind of troublesome pathologies certainly but for useful purposes in the case of a socio-professional success.

No, I'm talking about the time spent playing, chatting, watching videos, which is the case, anyway, most young Internet users I think.
There are surely more people who "surf" for these reasons than for education, and then, if I take my personal case, I have spent endless hours immersed in all kinds of books (an escape for me to l period) and I'm not short-sighted. The reason: I spent as much time locked in my books as outside exploring, discovering, walking in nature which was my second refuge.
Then the books do not emit this permanent light which tires and accentuates the degradation of the sight (except the E-books of course : Wink: ).

For the last point: We received friends with their son 9 years ago, there are 15 days in the countryside. He spent all WE on his tablet refusing even to come to eat at night.
My son 24 years was scared by the lack of parental authority towards this little one, who laughed when his father told him it was time to eat. It only took 5 seconds to bring him to the table.
No shouting, no threats, I just told him it was time to eat, that it was served. He tried to tell me that his game was not over (which had worked well with his father), I did not give him the choice.
"No, now you turn off your tablet and sit down to dinner please" ... which he did without batting an eyelid.
This is also how I acted with my son, who spends a lot of time on his PC like all young people, but who also spends a lot of time doing sports (parkour, downhill bike, climbing) because I used him like that.

Many parents have resigned and that is what scares the most. I don't really count on parents today to "act in the right direction", quite the contrary. For their discharge, we knock them out with the benefits of computers and technology, at school and at home, without talking to them about the dangers.
And I'm not talking about parents who "get rid" of their kid by putting them in front of the TV (but that was before) or in front of a series on the tablet. The difference being that before, apart from cartoons and other children's shows, there were no other means of entertainment and these were broadcast at reasonable times, adapted I would say! Today young people (more and more young moreover) no longer have any time benchmarks since games or entertainment shows are available at all hours and all night if they wish (reruns, replay).
Which parent will wake up at 3h to see if his child is sleeping or playing on his tablet / smartphone?

You say: "It is not inevitable, knowing it, parents have the possibility to act in the right direction"
If we push the concept a little further, what is the purpose of the CSA and other precautions for minors? All we have to do is let the parents manage what they allow or not for their children!
If the CSA was created, it is not to protect the children, nor even to help the parents! It's just to get rid of any responsibility for parents who have none and who let anything to their kids. To make them responsible for failing to be vigilant.

Do you know that most of the CEOs of the big digital companies send their kids to a school in California where there are only pens and paper? Chance or awareness of the harmfulness of the products with which they flood the market?

And getting back to the subject of the post, it is predicted that in just XNUMX years or so, the "web sphere" will require almost half of the planetary energy resources to function. Do we know how many servers are running just to maintain forgotten accounts, which are no longer used or therefore the "owners" no longer remember the password and who have created other accounts?

The uselessness in all its splendor, but which continues to eat resources some of which are sorely lacking!
We even do server rooms under the ice to save air conditioning : Shock:

You'll say I'm pessimistic and I understand you, hey no! : Cheesy: I am rather optimistic but one thing is certain, we are not going to the best : roll:

Let it be clear, I am not saying that there are only irresponsible parents, just that they have more and more trouble educating their children so much the sources of diversion are numerous, effective and permanent. They suffer the law of the market that's all.
How many times have I heard parents say: "we bought a laptop for our child (often too young to have one, but what is the right age?) It is to be able to supervise him, so that he can call us in case of a problem, so that we can know where he is at any time etc.

How was it done before the arrival of this mobile phone? Was there more death, loss of child, kidnapping, accidents?

No ! There was more education that's all. How many I meet young people (not only young people but since we are talking about them) who cross the road, who ride in a scooter or car with their eyes fixed on their mobile phone! It's a joke !!! But that's how it is sold: educational, safe and so essential!

Finally I stop getting drunk and wish you all (yes yes, to you too Izentrop Image ) an excellent WE!
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by izentrop » 06/07/18, 15:35

Diabolorent wrote:If the CSA was created, it is not to protect the children, nor even to help the parents! It's just to get rid of any responsibility for parents who have none and who let anything to their kids. To make them responsible for failing to be vigilant.
Yes, and for most of what you just wrote, I agree, but I'm also a little naughty, sorry.
Diabolorent wrote:the books do not emit this permanent light which tires and accentuates the degradation of the sight (except the E-books of course).
There, it remains to prove and manufacturers have made efforts to limit the light intensity, as was done with the sound of listening to the headphones.
Opticians have found a new market, but how effective?


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by Janic » 07/07/18, 08:13

* In these examples, it is funny to note that "herd" comes from the Latin pecus which gave nest egg in French!
with a little delay, the Latin pecus and even pecule have their homonymous contracted pecul, which is not far from having the same meaning. : Cheesy:
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