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by Did67 » 20/06/18, 09:41

to be chafoin wrote:
The person who told me about this info is in charge of a garden center where I bought some plants. Her imprecision was great (I was the one who interpolated for example "specialist in wildlife" because she no longer remembered the specialist's professional name). I went to see this gardener again and in fact he was talking about an academic in master who was doing animal counting and, to evoke our discussion, indeed the figure of 5 now seems doubtful to him (is it the student who is deceived or the gardener who has wrongly remembered the info ...).



A good example of how false information is created, "without knowing it of your own accord" in a way.

Reread what you wrote, for teaching purposes. I summarize: "wild boars now have 5 litters per year", you say first. Then, faced with our astonishment: "it is a specialist in wildlife management" who explained it to you, it is not the net, it is in a way first hand ...

Without a minimum of knowledge (length of gestation; the famous "3 months 3 weeks 3 days" easy to remember) and without a minimum of critical thinking ("to be a priori against" - rather than the reverse, "to believe in priori "), we admit.

We can see a third thing: "specialization". You can be a specialist in statistical processing of animal populations (and count wild boars, slugs, ibex ...) and know nothing about the reproduction of these animals, or their "ecology" ...
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Re: Slug




by Did67 » 20/06/18, 09:42

fl78960 wrote:
It seems that the Trimota - Tison of Satan is appreciated slugs.



Ah !!! I will have to put in my "hedgehog garden"!
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Re: Fight effectively against slugs!




by elodiedu08 » 21/06/18, 18:28

Good evening, who tried rhubarb manure and rhubarb infusion against slugs? thank you
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Re: Slug




by to be chafoin » 22/06/18, 20:32

Did67 wrote:
to be chafoin wrote:
The person who told me about this info is in charge of a garden center where I bought some plants. Her imprecision was great (I was the one who interpolated for example "specialist in wildlife" because she no longer remembered the specialist's professional name). I went to see this gardener again and in fact he was talking about an academic in master who was doing animal counting and, to evoke our discussion, indeed the figure of 5 now seems doubtful to him (is it the student who is deceived or the gardener who has wrongly remembered the info ...).



A good example of how false information is created, "without knowing it of your own accord" in a way.

Reread what you wrote, for teaching purposes. I summarize: "wild boars now have 5 litters per year", you say first. Then, faced with our astonishment: "it is a specialist in wildlife management" who explained it to you, it is not the net, it is in a way first hand ...

Without a minimum of knowledge (length of gestation; the famous "3 months 3 weeks 3 days" easy to remember) and without a minimum of critical thinking ("to be a priori against" - rather than the reverse, "to believe in priori "), we admit.

We can see a third thing: "specialization". You can be a specialist in statistical processing of animal populations (and count wild boars, slugs, ibex ...) and know nothing about the reproduction of these animals, or their "ecology" ...
Not really I did not really convey a false info even if technically the 5 is wrong. It's the art of beating with you!

For "educational purposes", we can therefore reread what I said in the first place: "I heard that certain species reacted to the stress of global warming by reproducing more than in the past: this seems to be attested in the Gers for wild boars which would mate 5 times / year instead of once / year before! Same thing for certain fish which would spawn twice a year instead of once! Is it the same for slugs? "
We are not going to do the explanation of the text (conditional, I heard, seems), I evoked voluntarily the subject that had called me in a discussion to make react on the slugs in this forum, approaching it a bit like a joke.

Then in a second time I was obliged to specify the context given the enraged reaction (net, fake news ...) and you did not read well: it is not the specialist who gave me the info but the gardener!

In the end, it's not really fake news like Trump saying that Obama founded Daesh or that there was an attack in Sweden. It is true that there is an error or a misunderstanding on the 5, I have no problem that we take the info on it, but basically the info is true: animals have changed their mode reproduction with global warming and that is what was the interesting subject mentioned by this "specialist", and unfortunately we are, with all that, missed this subject ...
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Re: Fight effectively against slugs!




by Moindreffor » 24/06/18, 12:10

global warming is under way, but it is a warming and a few degrees over a hundred years, it will not change the behavior of species so profoundly

any species is opportunistic, it enjoys better conditions to reproduce itself

wild boars reproduce better because they are highly protected, the eco-friendly lobby has fought hunters so much that now we have arrived at an overpopulation of boars (deer, deer), this is the reality, if some hunters feed on It is especially to attract wild boars to the small woods where they can hunt, so that wild boars do not go to the big forests where hunting rights are reached far beyond their purses, where the wealthy hunters are only some beaten for pleasure, but do not exert sufficient pressure to maintain the species

I was a hunter, and a year after counting, there seemed to be too much partridge, the prefecture then ordered us to carry out an administrative beat it was necessary that in a day we shoot more than in a hunting season , so impossible, why have we forbidden to kill during the season then to realize that there were too many, hunters know how to manage contrary to what an urban ecologist who has never seen a game his life, but who knows he should not be killed

why the wolf comes back, because he finds food, he kills a sheep from time to time, but he does not eat from time to time, in the meantime he hunts normally

we focus on the wild boar because it's ugly, the myth of Bamby is still so present, but deer and deer do as much damage, others but they do

so a mild winter will save more slugs, which will be more likely to reproduce during a hot spring, but if the mild winter has spared slugs it has also spared the slug predators, and the hot spring is also profitable to these predators,

Didier to more slugs, he also cultivates more and more surface, and if he has a family of hedgehogs on his land, this family will not restrict its territory, it will defend the same surface, it will be richer so the hedgehogs will be able to raise their descendants better, but they will leave, so less pressure on the slugs

when we cultivate, we manage its surface, but not that of the neighbors, we must not forget it too
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Re: Fight effectively against slugs!




by to be chafoin » 29/07/18, 22:45

Even in the heart of summer ... they are there!
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harvest of pdt, the beast is just curled up under the hay
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Re: Fight effectively against slugs!




by Did67 » 30/07/18, 09:55

Yes, I made the same incidental discovery the other day!

Two days later, I put a black bucket (mason's bucket) upside down on a mole trap to prevent the light from bugging them, and in the evening, controlling the trap, I find a "big cow" - as I call these big red slugs which graze, which graze ...
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Re: Fight effectively against slugs!




by xav72 » 01/08/18, 16:48

"hunters know how to manage contrary to what an urban ecologist may think who has never seen game in his life, but who knows that it should not be killed"

I am a good countryman, however.
But what should not be seriously heard ..
Without you and your beautiful skewer hunters, the world would go wrong I forgot!
SORRY !!!
Do you want a medal or maybe a statue?

So go satisfy your desire to kill, because deep down it is especially that which leads you ..
After that, if you like nature so much, go and walk around, but without pissing off people and wildlife.
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Re: Fight effectively against slugs!




by Moindreffor » 01/08/18, 19:11

xav72 wrote:"hunters know how to manage contrary to what an urban ecologist may think who has never seen game in his life, but who knows that it should not be killed"

I am a good countryman, however.
But what should not be seriously heard ..
Without you and your beautiful skewer hunters, the world would go wrong I forgot!
SORRY !!!
Do you want a medal or maybe a statue?

So go satisfy your desire to kill, because deep down it is especially that which leads you ..
After that, if you like nature so much, go and walk around, but without pissing off people and wildlife.

why so much hatred : Mrgreen:
to walk in the nature I love like you, but would you walk with a quiet air if you could cross a big predator
Do not confuse the pleasure of killing and hunting, a hunter does not take pleasure in killing, because if it was the case in the absence of game he will find his pleasure on other preys
without the hunters the population of boars would explode, it is already limit
that deer, deer too, herds are already substantial
the population of rabbits has been contained only with the help of myxomatosis, the rabbit returns but as its habitat is destroyed it swarms only on motorways and any place forbidden to hunters, airports, military camps ...
you focus on the huntsman cons I too militate against the cons of hunters, but cons there are in both camps, the pros and cons
so if tomorrow you agree to share the campaign with foxes, wolves, wild cats in numbers not a few dozens like currently OK hunters will be able to put the rifles (I do not speak of rabies more)
have you ever had sheep slaughtered by wolves, hens taken by a fox, your garden ransacked by wild boars, crossed a stag that charges you during the slaughter, these accidents are not uncommon and all its animal populations are contained so imagine if that was not the case

in countries where there are still wolves, lynx, foxes it is rather advisable to go in an armed natural environment
in Australia rabbits were introduced (it's a nice bullshit) the hunt never managed to eradicate them,

since man, because of his spread of population, has invaded the wild territories, he has never stopped exterminating the predators who were competing with him or threatening his life (wolves, lynx, bears) or who frightened him (black cats, owls) the other species have disappeared at the same time as their natural habitat, nobody hunts the big hamster of Alsace and yet it is endangered

since he has taken an ecological conscience he would like to go back, but it is impossible, our campaigns are no longer wild territories, just green points between our cities in total ecological imbalance

We must therefore see the hunters as a necessity (every year there are administrative battues to destroy certain species, there is of course no talk of hunting), once again the man must overcome the nature that can no longer to work without him so much it intervened, parallel with agriculture, without pesticide, fungicide, fertilizer or other could one still produce as much for the same price, I spoke about price not quality

afterwards, as mentioned above, there are the good and the bad, because in order for a species to develop again in an environment, it is necessary to rehabilitate the environment, in the natural parks hunting is not prohibited, just better supervised and practiced by good hunters (in rural areas there are hunting societies that operate on the same principle) it is because there is good management and rehabilitation of the environment that it works
for example every summer the hunters drink to the birds, of course the partridges, the pheasants come to drink, but all the others too, have to do it because the wetlands have been suppressed, the hunters put pressure on the farmers for leave the fields fallow for a short time before returning everything after harvest so that the animals can eat what the machines did not pick up

afterwards we always come back to a question of money, the large hunting areas owned by the state are rented to the hunters, and it is auctioned, so the more quality the territory, the higher the prices, the more private territories are often reserved by the owner
so for the common man he often remains at his disposal, the communal land (industrial wastelands, stadiums ...) and as the fauna is not exuberant, well there it shoots everything that moves and it is this image that goes on TV

fishermen, for example to restore the thread of the watercourse must be blown up dams mills of the early twentieth that no longer rotate, but it is impossible without the agreement of the owners, so the restoration is not possible everywhere, that's in my village, so you can ban fishing it will not return the fish that can not pass these obstacles, ben similar for hunting

in the middle of the hunt the type of hunters you talk about, we call them viandards (they kill for the sake of killing and so that it pays) and the hunters do not like them more than you, so if you talk about these hunters there we totally agree

after there are bad killers in the slaughterhouses, then we must close all the slaughterhouses, a cold sheep without its wool so we must forbid to mow them and so we all become vegan, will nature be better off ? there will be nothing but fields, to produce all the necessary cereals, to feed us, to clothe us

If man was always virtuous we could suppress so many things, A Benalla occupies all media must make this exception a generality to disrupt all the work of the police and the gendarmerie, it over-mediates the police blunders, but the daily work of law enforcement is ignored

I will not try to convince you, the aggressiveness of your message shows in which category of opponent to hunting you are located, I speak of what I know because I have practiced in many different situations, on very different territories, there is no hunting but hunts, so I know what I'm talking about and I also met cons hunters, but cons everyone meets every day
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Re: Fight effectively against slugs!




by phil53 » 02/08/18, 08:26

Moindrefor, that's an explanation.
Yes why so much aggression?
I am of your opinion that there are everywhere, I am sometimes and it makes me more tolerant. I tell myself that some things may not be all the time.
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