Guinard Idra 5000 submersible pump - body opening

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Guinard Idra 5000 submersible pump - body opening




by Arrakeen » 10/07/17, 15:05

Hello,

I have a submerged pump Guinard Idra 5000 (the old model, not the 5000N) that does not start anymore.

I think the starter capacitor is dead (this is a track, it does not come from the float or the power supply), I would have liked to make sure before decre- pure and simple disappointment of my pump.
Except that I do not know how to open the body of the pump, a priori there is a screw down just before the suction filter (the green plastic part), I imagine that the 'shell' external is sorry, except that I tried to hand and nothing moved ... is there a particular technique to open it?

Thank you in advance !
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Re: Submerged pump - body opening




by Repair @ Francois » 20/05/18, 18:51

Here is how I replaced the defective capacitor on a Guinard IDRA 5000 pump

General architecture
All the inside of the pump is pulled out from the bottom and is held by the clamping piece 9 in the diagram of the manual found here: http://www.multicovers.fr/guinard/notice_idra_4000.pdf

I found the spare parts on the pumps-direct site: https://www.pompes-direct.com/pompage/p ... -detachees.

Symptom indicating that the capacitor needs to be replaced
  • When the power is turned on, the pump buzzes slightly but does not start.
  • When you try to turn the spindle (Unplug the pump BEFORE! Rotate using a pipe wrench 8mm passed through the hole that is under the pump) there is no blockage. If it is blocked, it will be necessary to clean the pump before considering replacing the capacitor. The opening will be the same as for the replacement of the capacitor, without the need to remove the motor block (see below)

Unmount - Path to follow if you notice that the axis is blocked or is difficult to rotate
  • Loosen the bottom part (green or black) in the opposite direction of the arrow drawn on it.
  • Loosen the screw that holds the pump blocks to the motor shaft
  • Then take out the blocks and clean them

Disassembly - In the event of a capacitor failure, everything must be taken out ...
  • Loosen the bottom part (green or black) in the opposite direction of the arrow drawn on it.
  • No need to loosen the bolt that holds the pump blocks on the motor shaft: you go out together.
  • Push the pump assembly outwards by gently tapping at the top with a wooden block for example or by gently pulling on the motor axle
  • The pump blocks are made of black plastic on the outside, the hinges are in stainless steel, inside the blocks. There is no need to touch this part.
  • The engine block is surmounted by a compartment where the capacitor and the electrical connections (3 and 6 parts of the parts diagram are located)
  • WARNINGS when opening it, it is full of dielectric oil to protect the electrical part of any condensation or humidity.
  • The oil can be emptied and recovered by the plugs through which the cables enter. You will need a special key for nuts with holes (for example on Amazon: key to adjustable pins for 12 â,¬ approximately, for example on Amazon)
  • Condenser found on pumps-direct: 10 â,¬ (https://www.pompes-direct.com/pompage/p ... -detachees)
  • Also take a spare gasket (# 5) to ensure the seal between the 3 part and the 6 part.
  • Replace the capacitor
  • Put the new seal
  • Close the electrical compartment with the cover. Ensure that it is well embedded all around to ensure watertightness.
  • In the upright position, replace the oil in the compartment where the condenser is located.
  • If you are missing, you can use the dielectric oil Total (for electrical transformer), eg Isovoltine insulating oil 2, Conditioning of 2 liters found at http://www.dllub.com/
  • Replace the electrical compartment plugs

Reassembly
  • Slide the pump housing over the entire engine block and pump blocks
  • Screw the bottom piece back. It is helpful to grease the thread a little with special silicone grease damp media. It is easier to screw and it will be easier to unscrew for a next repair.
  • After tightening this piece, nothing should move when you push from the top

With a little luck (it worked perfectly for me), your pump works perfectly again !!
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Re: Submerged pump - body opening




by Rom1_31 » 28/10/19, 22:48

Hello,

I thank you for these valuable indications. I was able to disassemble my Guinard Ariana 5000 pump with your indications.
On the other hand by tapping on the body to lower the pump units, all of them came to the part containing the condenser (part 3, above the condenser remained in the pump barrel). This one is clearly out of order, it is "exploded", but no trace of dielectric oil, condensation is present on the other hand (see picture in PJ)

Does this sound normal to you? Is it possible that the pump does not have this oil? Or could the explosion of the capacitor have created a leak and drain the oil, drowning the electrical part ... in which case I imagine that the pump is HS.

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thanks in advance
cordially

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Re: Guinard Idra 5000 submersible pump - body opening




by christophe5507 » 13/04/20, 12:08

Hello Repair @ Francois,

I printed your tutorial (very well done) because my IDRA 5000 pump is broken. The capacitor exploded.
During disassembly, quite complicated in the sense that the turbine / motor / electrical circuit assembly did not want to go out ...
By force I got there, but the capacitor compartment was open and the electrical wires disconnected.
Can you tell me where to find the connection diagram?

Thank you in advance.
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Re: Guinard Idra 5000 submersible pump - body opening




by Atof75 » 20/04/20, 11:04

Hello,
I would like to know how I should go about dismantling my adriana 5000 guinard pump. At the start I have a Differential fault on the meter which jumps after a few minutes of using my pump. I tried on another socket and ditto so I want to dismantle it to check the tightness.
I saw in other messages that we must unscrew the lower part (green or black) in the opposite direction to the arrow written on this part. But despite my efforts, this green part on my pump does not move. Can you help me and give me a solution to be able to unscrew this part of the pump in order to be able to access it.
Thank you for your help.
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Re: Guinard Idra 5000 submersible pump - body opening




by christophe5507 » 20/04/20, 15:39

Hello,

Follow the method indicated by Repair @ Francois. On my side too, I had trouble unscrewing the base (green for me).
I wedged the pump (on the ground) by passing a TOR iron in one of the rings used to suspend the pump.
Then with the slide of an 80 cm long clamp, forcing hard, I got there. Be careful not to damage the notches.

Kind regards.
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Re: Guinard Idra 5000 submersible pump - body opening




by christophe5507 » 20/04/20, 15:40

At Atof75,

If you get there, before disconnecting the electrical wires, can you take one or two photos showing the connections?
Goods.
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Re: Guinard Idra 5000 submersible pump - body opening




by Atof75 » 22/04/20, 08:53

Hello,
Thank you for your advice but for my part it was impossible for me to unscrew this green part at the bottom of my pump. I think I will buy another one and when the containment is finished I will go to a repairer.
Have a good day
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Re: Guinard Idra 5000 submersible pump - body opening




by sepi50 » 16/08/20, 13:00

Hello everyone, despite your great post, I am stuck in front of my ideal pump. After all the tests, I concluded that the contactors are out of order, but I can't unscrew the green part. Can you help me by explaining to me how you did it because I even by forcing it resists.
Thank you in advance
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Re: Guinard Idra 5000 submersible pump - body opening




by virus42 » 18/10/20, 18:40

Hello,

Ditto I have the same problem removing the green base. I tried to spray some wd40 to make it slip more easily but nothing to do. . . : Twisted: : Evil: : Cry:
If anyone is successful, I take advice.

Thank you
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