Nuclear waste

[Janic]

I do not think Strasbourg Cathedral disfigures the landscape ...

Of course it disfigures the landscape, it's ugly a lost cathedral in the middle of the trees of a forest or even in plain, even in a desert ... .. sand, of course!
And the Effel tower? This bunch of horrible junk that has no use other than to run the trade, etc ... One of the wind turbines is even less ugly with their beautiful trunk all smooth, very white and branches that flutter over the wind. Everything is relative, therefore!

on the other hand 4000 wind turbines (3MW) and 180m heights

There are in France near 100 000 religious buildings (on average 2,5 per municipality), including 15 000 protected as historical monuments including 154 cathedrals, 171 basilicas,plus all tall buildings, it's ugly all that!
And how high are the American buildings, and the one in Abu Dhabi?

(pretty much what it takes to replace a nuclear plant) it's not the same thing ..

We must not confuse aesthetics and utilitarianism. Wind turbines, with all their inevitable flaws, are intended to use a non-polluting energy, not to be an ecological ideal

but at least it's a visual reminder of where our energy comes from.

Among others!

For the sand, as long as there are oceans it will always remain! what is problematic are the places where these samples are taken.

[sen-no-sen]

We must not confuse aesthetics and utilitarianism. Wind turbines, with all their inevitable flaws, are intended to use a non-polluting energy, not to be an ecological ideal

The ideal ecology is the muscular strength ...
There is no clean energy on an industrial scale.
A wind turbine does not grow like a tree, it takes different metals, rare earth, cement, which do not come out of the thigh of Jupiter ...
By multiplying the number of wind turbines to which a back up(i.e. all the devices allowing the maintenance of energy production in the absence of wind: gas power stations, pumping energy transfer station) we arrive at a balance that is much less green than suggested by the defenders of "sustainable development".
It is therefore misleading to talk about neutral energy in GHG ...

[Janic]

The ideal ecology is the muscular strength ...
There is no clean energy on an industrial scale

Absolutely agree! But I made a remark about the comparative aesthetics of wind turbines and other constructions.

[moinsdewatt]

seen in New Factory of 06 Seven 2018.

Deep long-term storage projects for high-level radioactive waste

[Christophe]

Novethic's article of the day: https://www.novethic.fr/actualite/infog ... 47257.html

[Infographic] Nuclear: what happens to the used hearts of our reactors?

In the middle of a national debate on the management of radioactive materials and waste, Novethic traces in an infographic the route of the used fuel rods, once they have been used to produce electricity. From nuclear power stations, to storage and warehousing sites, discover what happens to the hearts of our 58 reactors.



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[Janic]

moreover, it must not be forgotten that in order to cool, water is needed constantly, hence their constructions on the banks of the rivers. But if global warming accelerates, scarce the runoff, rivers: how will these plants be cooled? by blowing on it ?.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piscine_d ... 3%A9ration

[sicetaitsimple]

moreover, it must not be forgotten that in order to cool, water is needed constantly, hence their constructions on the banks of the rivers. But if global warming accelerates, scarce the runoff, rivers: how will these plants be cooled? by blowing on it ?.

Avoid confusing the heat evacuation necessary for the operation of the plant, its thermodynamic cycle, which is often counted in thousands of thermal MWh, and that necessary for the cooling of the spent fuel, which counts in tens.

MW actually, or MWh / h .......

[Janic]

Avoid confusing the heat evacuation necessary for the operation of the plant, its thermodynamic cycle, which is often counted in thousands of thermal MWh, and that necessary for the cooling of the spent fuel, which counts in tens.

https://www.irsn.fr/FR/connaissances/In ... NuoX_kzbIV
We realize, if I'm not mistaken, that we need a cold source coming from outsideCreation of a diversified cold source
The accident of Fukushima, in Japan in 2011, led to consider a new accident situation: a total loss of cold springs and electricity affecting all spent fuel reactors and pools, which is prolonged in time.
"We examined the provisions retained by EDF to manage such a situation," says Patricia Dupuy. Major changes are planned or underway, such as creating a diversified cold source using for example water from the water table, or the Nuclear Rapid Action Force (Farn) conveying mobile means capable of coming to the rescue by central in trouble.
https://www.irsn.fr/FR/connaissances/In ... NupDPkzbIU

But I was talking about the effects of global warming, the reduction of water sources by drought and where most farmers will pump water from rivers, rivers, to dry almost completely with complete reduction of water tables too (c is already in progress). So how will they do without a fleet? This is, again, the snake biting its tail because after removing all fossil thermal energy sources in favor of all-electric, it is 75% of the electricity failed and then boommm!
58 Chernobyl + Fukushima! The big fireworks in France as elsewhere! and lived the nuclear madness!

[sicetaitsimple]

We realize, if I'm not mistaken, that we need a cold source coming from outside

Of course, did I say the opposite?

[Janic]

Janic wrote:
We realize, if I'm not mistaken, that we need a cold source coming from outside

Of course, did I say the opposite?

Of course, did I say the opposite? My question was very specific and targeted: what will happen when the water sources dry up (according to the whistleblowers on global warming) and therefore will not allow this cooling anymore?